In a message dated 1/17/00 4:42:29 AM Dateline Standard Time,
>To recap: It appears that both Mike and I agree that there are
>multiple possible motivations to conservation (and
>exploitation); we agree that theological stances can result in
>both conservative and exploitative motivations; and we agree
>that separating out the various motivations is difficult.
>These points of agreement indicate to me that Mike should by
>that acceptance then reject the argument of the Unknown
>Student. Why Mike states that he rejects my arguments when we
>actually holds several of the same stances remains mysterious
My mistake was in interpreting your claim:
>desire to see our children put safely into an environment
>conducive to a good quality of life would seem entirely
>sufficient to explain concern over conservation issues,
to mean that such a desire was a sufficient and *valid* justification
for our concern and *action*. I clearly read too much into your
So yes, we do agree about the Unknown Student, but his/her
opinions are small pototoes. I am more interested in the larger
issue itself as to whether or not atheistic views of evolution are
at significant tension with environmentalism. Isn't there any place
where your theism contributes to some view about the world?
But there is something perhaps bigger here. As I see it, even
the most aggressive environmental policies are only band-aids.
I simply can't envision another 10,000 years of human existence
which does not greatly degrade the environment. It would thus
seem we would have to more extensively and aggresively control people
and limit their freedoms as the centuries go on. It would seem the
instrument of this control would also have to be quite powerful.
But even then, could the environment be sustained for 100,000 years?
A million years? Ten million years?
In other words, the environmental efforts are inevitiably doomed to fail.
Or, at the very least, their success may essentially depend on a very
powerful authority and loss of much freedom (such that we cannot even
Now, this is not an argument to "use it up now." I'm talking about 100,000's
of years, and it would be irrational to base current policy on some long-term
fatalistic view. But there is a philosophical point here. In a subtle and
way, we don't fit on this planet. That is, the act of *being human* is
the planet can only tolerate for a relatively short time.
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