RE: There used to be some really powerful thinkers on the list

Pim van Meurs (
Wed, 18 Aug 1999 09:19:28 -0700

Bertvan: I should think anyone who didn't believe the laws of nature accidentally
arrange themselves into logical relationships and patterns would believe they
were designed. And since I never heard of any of design other than
intelligent design, I am an IDer.

So it's based merely on your belief. That does make you an ID'er. But ID can also be non-intelligent, see Elsberry's review of Dembski for instance.

Bertvan: I don't have any opinion about who or what did the designing.

Indeed, it might as well have been 'mother nature' then.