where's the evolution?

Cummins (cummins@dialnet.net)
Fri, 19 Mar 1999 15:46:59 -0600

> >And, I'm still waiting for an emperical example of an
> >indefinite increase of complexity in a closed system (evolution).
> >
> I realize that I am baiting a rabid bear here, but....
> First of all, evolution does not work in a closed system;
> evolution works in open systems.

First, I didn't say closed to energy and obviously such closure isn't even
implied. Obviously, I'm talking about an independent system, not an
system. How about "closed to outside information and organization."

> Secondly, evolution is actually defined as the change in the frequency of
> one or more genes within a population of organisms.

Secondly, as no one is disputing that genes in a population change in
frequency, your
definition is irrelevant.

> Read any textbook by
> Douglas Futuyma for the empirical evidence of this that you seek.
> No doubt you will maintain that only macroevolution is truely evolution in
> the sense you mean it. There too Futuyma can provide the
> empirical evidence you seek.

As I assert Evolution (the indefinite increase of complexity in a system
only to energy -- such as ameba-to-man) is impossible, I'm confident that
of Futuyma's books contain empirical examples.

I've offered this challenge for years; no one has ever met the challenge.
If you
Evolutionists can't even show that evolution is possible, why are we wasting
all this
time debating weak circumstantial evidence that it accounts for the
complexity of
modern life?