Re: After Fundamentalism

Glenn R. Morton (
Wed, 27 May 1998 19:58:18 -0500

Hi Jim,

I am delighted by your list. You couldn't have made me happier.

At 12:20 PM 5/26/98 -0400, Jim Bell wrote:
>Glenn writes:
><<Exactly what objective criteria would you advance that we can see in the
>fossil record which would allow us to infer the existence of the Image of
>I think Henry's list is a good place to start:
>1. rational understanding (Gen. 1:28ff.)

Lets see. Rational. If I make a stone tool, chop down a tree, make another
stone tool and use it to whittle on the tree making a point (out of the
hardest part of the wood) and then fashion the rest of the tree into the
back part of a spear, and then balance it just right so that it won't flip
over when I throw this spear, and then I sneak up on a deer in the woods
and throw this spear at him, and it sticks in his side, I can then follow
him until the deer bleeds to death. Making another set of stone tools I
can skin and butcher the beast and take him home where I can build a fire
and cook him.

That is rational thinking. Homo erectus used EXACTLY that line of
reasoning at Schoningen, Germany 400,000 years ago. OK, he was rational.

>2. moral obedience (2:16-17)

This one we can't find fossil evidence for but then I can't prove that the
Egyptians from 4500 BC were morally obedient either. They left no evidence
of moral obedience.
>3. religious communion (3:3).

"But Mania's most intriguing find lies under a protective shed. As he
opens the door sunlight illuminates a cluster of smooth stones and pieces
of bone that he believes were arranged by humans to pave a 27-foot-wide
"'They intentionally paved this area for cultural activities,' says Mania.
'We found here a large anvil of quartzite set between the horns of a huge
bison, near it were fractured human skulls.'" ~ Rick Gore, "The First
Europeans," National Geographic, July, 1997, p. 110

In any other context we would describe this as a religious altar. Homo
erectus built a religious altar 400,000 years ago. And this was found in a
'village' with 3 huts. Sounds like they were communing with each other
also. It is quite logical to assume (as we would for the Egyptians), that
H.E. was engaged in a religious practice.

I know you don't like these things but are you sure that your really
looking at the data?

>Note that #2 requires a code, and #3 requires an object of communion, not
>mere "consciousness."

The quartzite was the object of communion upon which they may have
sacrificed humans.

>You know what this means, of course. There may NOT be any evidence in the
>"fossil record." The evidence may go back only so far as the Sumerians.
>Hard as it is to accept, Glenn, you may not be able to find evidence for
>everything you desire.

And you may not be able to recognize it. :-)

><<Is the definition of the image of God someone who looks exactly as us?
>If art, religious articles, burial, and altars won't convince someone that
>there is a spirituality among a given ancient human, I fear that nothing
>What is "spirituality"? What is "religious"? These amorphous terms can be
>mangled to mean just about anything. They are not rigorous enough to help
>us here. Find a Neanderthal site with the 10 Commandments, and you're onto

Find a pre-dynastic Egyptian site with the 10 commandments. YOu can't. They
couldn't write and neither could the Neanderthals. Are you suggesting that
writing is the Image of God?


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