Faith was Re: Introduction

Pim van Meurs (
Wed, 19 Mar 1997 17:20:02 -0400

"Being a scientist is not necessarily an advantage when dealing with
a very broad topic like evolution, which cuts across many scientific
disciplines and also involves issues of philosophy. Practicing
scientists are of necessity highly specialized, and a scientist
outside his field of expertise is just another layman" (Johnson P.E.,
"Darwin on Trial", 1993, pp13-14)

Is Johnson not a lawyer ? I wonder how this influences his above view ?

"If the Bible cannot contradict science, neither can science
contradict the Bible..." (Hodge C., "The Bible in Science," New York
Observer, Mar, 26, 1863 pp98-99, in Noll M.A., "The Scandal of the
Evangelical Mind", 1995, pp183-184)"

Of course not, they are two distinct entities, one based on faith and one
based on science.

RC>I do not believe in evolution, I believe in God;

"I like this. It is the reverse of what I said to Loren about the
"tainted" word "evolution". Ask an unbeliever why he/she doesn't
believe in God and he/she will say something like "Because I believe
in evolution". Ask a Christian why he/she doesn't believe in
evolution and he/she will say "Because I believe in God"."

Of course there are many shades between these two. But I am curious why
christians refuse to believe in evolution if the evidence supports this ?
Is it beyond their faith that god could have 'created' us through these
naturalistic means ?

"Same here. But I think we should not downplay the "serious
challenge" to our "core beliefs" that evolutionism poses. Where
the Church has allowed its doctrines to be `Finlandised' by
evolutionist beliefs, it has become weaker. Evolutionist ideas are
probably the greatest threat that the Church faces, since they
purport to render superfluous the need for a supernatural Creator:"

And this shows a severe lack in faith in your creator Steve. To suggest
he could not have used evolution. Furthermore you statement that evolution
requires no god is also untrue. Many christians have found a way to deal
happily with both.

"In the evolutionary pattern of thought there is no longer either
need or room for the supernatural. The earth was not created, it
evolved. So did all the animals and plants that inhabit it,
including our human selves, mind and soul as well as brain and body.
So did religion...." (Huxley J., Tax S. (ed.), "Evolution after
Darwin", 1960, in Johnson P.E., "Darwin on Trial", 1993, pp152-153)

And why do you believe that god could not have achieved his creation
through evolution ? Any other view seems to place you in the unenviable
position of having to disbelieve evolution. Perhaps are you not ignoring
what god is trying to show you through evidence and fact ? Perhaps by
denying evolution you are denying your god ?