Re: [asa] Climate change journals

From: Glenn Morton <>
Date: Wed Dec 16 2009 - 23:24:57 EST

This will be my fourth post for today. Christine, one of my worst character
flaws is that I respond in kind. I shouldn't do it, but I do. I got a
private note from an individual expressing the belief that because I am in
the oil industry that I am anti-AGW because of my investments. I will let
one and all know that I own only about $3000 in oil company stocks right
now. That will hardly let me retire. My views are what I believe. I don't
give a rats rear end about anything but finding the truth. I invest as I
believe, not as I want it to be. In fact, everything I do and say is exactly
as I believe it to be. I might be wrong--the data will tell me if I am
wrong, but I don't do anything for a personal agenda. I never saw any reason
to live my life that way even when I was a YEC and arguing against the YEC
lunacies that I saw at that time. Even then I was arguing what I believed.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Christine Smith" <>
To: <>
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: [asa] Climate change journals

Hi Murray,

In retrospect, perhaps "denigrate" was too strong a word on my
apologies. Nevertheless, the tone of your comment comes across as rather
mocking (whether intended or not), and that Glenn responded in kind is not
surprising (though not ideal).

More broadly, I wish that all parties would refrain from these little one or
two liners that don't serve any constructive purpose. To that end, I will
make no additional comments as to who-said-what and direct everyone's
attention back to the original purpose of my post, which was to try and
figure out a strategy for digging into the scientific literature on this
topic, so that I can "engage the data" more intelligently in the future.

In Christ,

"For we walk by faith, not by sight" ~II Corinthians 5:7

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--- On Tue, 12/15/09, Murray Hogg <> wrote:

> From: Murray Hogg <>
> Subject: Re: [asa] Climate change journals
> To: "ASA" <>
> Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 10:22 PM
> Christine Smith wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > In Glen's latest post, he asked me twice what I
> thought of comments written by others in response to his
> skepticism of the instrumental temperature data. Frankly,
> I'm rather disappointed by my fellow AGW proponents on this
> list. First they have demanded that the data be engaged, and
> then they denigrate someone who is very respectfully and
> intelligently asking questions about specific data points. I
> can only believe that they have become so frustrated by the
> debate (because I know they've had it before) that these
> rather flippant and disrespectful responses are them just
> letting off some steam.
> >
> > In any case, I feel compelled to try and dig more
> deeply into the data myself. Although I've been
> well-schooled in the fundamental concepts here, this would
> be my first foray into the scientifically reviewed journals.
> I would like to get a short list of the most important
> journals to look at, so that I can figure out how much all
> of this would cost me in subscription fees. Letting me know
> of any other sources of that rigor which I should review
> would also be helpful.
> >
> > Please note that this does not in anyway change my
> view that AGW is a significant problem. I am simply trying
> to become better educated on the issue so that I can "engage
> the data" myself more intelligently in the future. ::sigh::
> I am not looking forward to cracking open my stats. textbook
> again though. :(
> > In Christ,
> > Christine
> Er, so Glenn can write this about me;
> "This is certainly not a scientific attitude--it is an
> attitude of a politician who doesn't really care about
> truth."
> And this despite the fact that I actually took the trouble
> to look up Glenn's cited blog post, locate the pertinent
> article, read it, and ask Glenn a couple of polite questions
> of clarification?
> And I'm denigrating Glenn?
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