Re: Refuting Aristotle et al (was Re: [asa] Dawkins on the fossil record)

From: Gregory Arago <>
Date: Wed Dec 16 2009 - 04:29:43 EST

Hi Don, Yeah, that's my humble blog there. Not too many postings, but a few things to read and see. If memory serves correct, I posted not long ago on this list a link to A. Peacocke's 'map of knowledge,' which can be found there.  Gregory ________________________________ From: Don Nield <> To: Dennis Venema <> Cc: Gregory Arago <>; Murray Hogg <>; ASA <> Sent: Wed, December 16, 2009 6:19:04 AM Subject: Re: Refuting Aristotle et al (was Re: [asa] Dawkins on the fossil record) Dennis: You have queried whether the name Gregory Arago in an alias or not. For your information I point out that Gregory has a blog at where he has posted a photo of himself and a bio that reads:; "Born on Canada's west coast in the Fraser Valley region, with mountains and ocean, surrounding. “Where the city meets the country." Played sports at the local, provincial, national and international levels (basketball, track and field, tennis, soccer/football, badminton, golf). Educational background includes Bachelor's degrees in Socology and in Economics (Canada) and a Master's degree in Philosophy (Netherlands). Currently living in St. Petersburg, Russia at the final stages of a Candidate of Science dissertation & defense. Reaching out to international voices..." Don Dennis Venema wrote: > Hi “Greg”, > > I see you continue to avoid my questions. Hopefully you’ll address > this one – what “problem with my philosophy” do you see? > > Dennis > > > > On 15/12/09 3:05 PM, "Gregory Arago" <> wrote: > > >    I said the problem is with Dennis' philosophy. Do you disagree? > > >    ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >    *From:* Murray Hogg <> >    *To:* ASA <> >    *Sent:* Wed, December 16, 2009 1:32:28 AM >    *Subject:* Re: Refuting Aristotle et al (was Re: [asa] Dawkins on >    the fossil record) > >    Schwarzwald wrote: >    > Not nearly enough, Murray. And I'll bluntly say that the tactic >    of refutation by referring to the date is the stuff of glaring >    intellectual weakness. It can be deployed for just about any >    position, even contrary ones. > >    The difference in scientific perspective between the ancient world >    and today makes any appeal to Aristotle and the Church Fathers >    problematic in the extreme - particularly when their opinion (as >    it is on the question of the "first" human) is so markedly a >    product of their particular view of the created order. > >    Simply citing those authorities as if they can be considered >    determinative in any theological debate is PRECISELY to attempt to >    do theology in a pre-modern intellectual context. > >    Let me note, further, that I purposefully used quote marks on >    "refutation." I am aware that simply pointing to a calendar >    doesn't disprove Greg's argument - but it DOES introduce a major >    consideration that has to be addressed. > >    So the fundamental point is that our conceptual world is >    fundamentally different from that of Aristotle and the Fathers. >    The only "glaring intellectual weakness" is on the part of those >    who pretend otherwise. > >    In that respect, pointing out that there's been 2000 years of >    intervening scientific progress since Aristotle (and 1500 years of >    same since the Church Fathers) is not quite irrelevant. > >    Blessings, >    Murray > > > > > >    To unsubscribe, send a message to with >    "unsubscribe asa" (no quotes) as the body of the message. > > > > > > >    ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >    *Yahoo! Canada Toolbar :* Search from anywhere on the web and >    bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now! >    <> > -- Donald A. Nield Associate Professor, Department of Engineering Science University of Auckland Private Bag 92019 Auckland 1142, NEW ZEALAND ph  +64 9 3737599 x87908 fax +64 9 3737468 Courier address: 70 Symonds Street, Room 235 or 305 __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr!

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