Re: a modest proposal [was: Re: [asa] Phil Jones Stepping Down..]

From: William Hamilton <>
Date: Fri Dec 11 2009 - 15:45:17 EST

Yes, I'd like to see the data.

On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Randy Isaac <>wrote:

> Yes, Bill, this is indeed an important possibility that must be carefully
> considered. The two main remaining problems with it are: 1. such an
> amplification effect for solar activity has been hypothesized but evidence
> that it actually occurs has not yet been obtained, and 2. the observed
> climate effects do not correlate with the observed fluctuations in solar
> activity which should show up if such a large variation is actually
> occurring. I can show you the data if you wish.
> Randy
> *From:* William Hamilton <>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 09, 2009 11:14 PM
> *To:* Rich Blinne <>
> *Cc:* ASA <> ; Randy Isaac <>
> *Subject:* Re: a modest proposal [was: Re: [asa] Phil Jones Stepping
> Down..]
> One reference that points out how a small variation in excitation can lead
> to a large variation in output in a nonlinear system is
> Resonant Interactions between Solar Activity and Climate S. M. Tobias
> and N. O. Weiss *Journal of Climate*
> Volume 13, Issue 21 (November 2000) pp. 37453759
> DOI: 10.1175/1520-0442(2000)013<3745:RIBSAA>2.0.CO;2
> Go to the American Meteorological Society web site and search Journal of
> Climate and you'll find a downloadable pdf. I'm not claiming that Tobias and
> Weiss have constructed an accurate model of sun/earth dynamics. That's not
> what they're trying to do. Their model simply demonstrates that in a
> nonlinear system small perturbations can lead to large changes in output
> behavior.

William E (Bill) Hamilton Jr., Ph.D.
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