Re: [asa] AGW discussion

From: Randy Isaac <>
Date: Mon Nov 30 2009 - 14:44:10 EST

I'm not quite sure why it would be helpful to start yet another blogsite or
debate site on this topic. The experts in the field have posted pretty well
everything on the topic and I don't know what we would add to the dialog.
Virtually everything we have to say has been said in one way or another. has many key contributors to the field weighing in and
addressing questions. In fact, it is worth following their contribution to
the email issue at
Then there is which seriously considers the top 74
skeptical arguments on global warming at

I previously provided the link to the 2007 conference which has a tremendous
amount of information. The overview talks say it all.

I don't think we have anything else to add. Any data or information that
counters this are most welcome. The problem is that most arguments from
skeptics make one of the following categories of misunderstanding:

1. Focusing on a subset, spatially or temporally, of the global trend data.
(I.e. focusing on the last decade or just Greenland)
2. Speculating on amplification effects of solar activity
3. Misunderstanding the role and validity of models in climate research
4. Confusing surface vs atmospheric vs deep ocean thermal attributes

We would all be thrilled to hear of any data that demonstrates there isn't,
or won't be, a problem, or of any analysis of data that alleviates the
But right now I don't see that a forum of this type would generate any
valuable addition to the field. If people do not believe the experts in the
websites above, then why would they believe us when we repeat that


From: "Dave Wallace" <>
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 11:18 AM
Cc: <>
Subject: [asa] AGW discussion

> Rich, Terry, Randy, Ted
> I would like to propose a discussion of the AGW science between:
> -Glenn Morton, a former member of this list, taking the con. He accepted
> AGW in the past but is now skeptical.
> -Randy and Rich taking the pro side, we have heard some of their positions
> recently on the list.
> To my mind in order to have a reasonable discussion the ability to show
> graphs, tables, pictures etc is essential, so I suggest we use one of the
> blogging services on the web that supports such. All posts and comments
> would be moderated prior to posting and would be limited to say 1 a day
> plus minor clarifications from each side. Only comments from the
> moderators or the three participants would be allowed on the blog. List
> members with questions could send them to the list and the moderators or
> participants could decide whether to take them up or not. Moderators
> would be Ted and Terry although I think David Opderbeck would be good if
> we could get him.
> I should point out to people that both Glenn and Rich, at one point did
> not accept an evolutionary origin for life and now do. Thus if enough
> data is thrown at them they have in the past changed their positions.
> Dave W
> ps I copied Glenn and while I did not run this particular proposal past
> him, I think he would be willing. Glenn's GW web side is:
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