Re: pendulum swings (was: Re: [asa] Gospel in the Stars WAS Star of Bethlehem presentation?)

From: David Clounch <>
Date: Mon Nov 30 2009 - 11:22:20 EST

Its going to be interesting watching Bernie convince everyone that
materialism is correct and non-materialism is wrong. Unless he ignores the
subject because he knows he cannot defend materialism. We have heard a lot
about what he is against - very little about what he is for.

I suppose its possible to move to atheism without being a materialist
first, but I don't think most people usually go that path. Most folks
absorb materialism by osmosis and thus unconsciously assume its true. Can
it be that Bernie is unconsciously committed to materialism and never
formally examined it's tenets?

On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 11:18 PM, Bill Powers <> wrote:

> Bernie:
> What I am interested in is what is the bottom line.
> What is it that you will not, or cannot, give up,
> no matter the consequences or strife?
> Such a place cannot be assessed or evaluated because there is no place from
> which to do so. The buck stops here.
> This is the place that you will find your "faith" and your "god."
> Speaking merely of what you "appreciate" is insufficient were we to presume
> that your being matters to you.
> What interests me is the nature of this "place" and the means by which it
> is shown to us. This is why I consider it to be an existential quest, hence
> evidenced at that interface between being and nonbeing.
> Can the materialist qua materialist know this? Or is his own subjectivity
> denied him?
> bill

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