Re: [asa] What is the Christian reaction to Ray Comfort's use of "The Origin of Species"

From: Schwarzwald <>
Date: Fri Nov 27 2009 - 14:12:21 EST


That's actually worth highlighting. Even in the last round of New Atheism,
it was difficult to find any atheist who would actually... defend atheism.
And by that I mean, come out and admit they were making the positive claim
that no God/gods exist, that the universe was nothing but one big unintended
and mindless accident in all ways. This is avoided like the plague - because
having to defend that claim would not only be tremendously difficult (more
difficult than defending theism/deism), but it would be tremendously
uncomfortable. The fun of being a skeptic is being the one on the attack.
The types who enjoy that rarely enjoy being on the defense, particularly
about an issue so central for them.

What's more, God cannot help but hide, in my view. We will always be forced
to ask 'Is God really God? Can He be trusted? Is He just some powerful
malevolent spirit?' regardless of the situation. Faith is unavoidable for
any worldview.

On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 1:58 PM, gordon brown <>wrote:

> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009, Dehler, Bernie wrote:
> Where do numbers and math come from? Where does love come from? Where do
>> morals come from. If you don't know, then say the answer is God. Take two
>> gasses, H and O, and combine them to make something new, a liguid, H2O.
>> Where does the liquid or solid state of H2O come from? Must be from God,
>> too. Yes, I know, everything comes from God.
> Is the fact that 2=2 mysterious to you?
>> As I said, I haven't seen one piece of scientific evidence for God. Maybe
>> that is because God hides, so people MUST and ONLY come to him through
>> faith. (If there was real evidence for God, then the smart people would see
>> it and believe God for the evidence, then being saved may be a function of
>> smartness, which doesn't seem fair to a lot of folks, esp. those that have
>> loved ones with brain defects.) If so, my frustration with God is that He
>> wants to be the supreme player of hide and seek. Why does He enjoy that
>> game so much?
> Atheists have no possible evidence for the nonexistence of God since it is
> impossible to prove that anything is an accident in the ultimate sense. So
> atheists attack the religion to which they were exposed in their youth as if
> success there would prove atheism. Some atheists have been very much
> disturbed by scientific discoveries that looked like possible evidence for
> the existence of God.
> Not knowing why God does what He does is irrelevant to proving that He
> doesn't exist.
> Gordon Brown (ASA member)
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