Re: [asa] Manhattan Declaration

From: Michael Roberts <>
Date: Wed Nov 25 2009 - 17:01:46 EST

I am afraid I find this typical of Uncommondescent.

There don't seem to be any from Wheaton Calvin or Messiah colleges either.

Lots of questions but were they asked.

D's comment simply makes me cynical

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Dave Wallace
  To: ASA
  Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 9:28 PM
  Subject: [asa] Manhattan Declaration

  This looks like something we should discuss that is not related to the sign that the Magi saw or purloined emails. I suspect some would strongly object to some parts of the declaration.

  It does not look appropriate for those not from the USofA to sign.

    The President says that he wants to reduce the "need" for abortion­a commendable goal. But he has also pledged to make abortion more easily and widely available by eliminating laws prohibiting government funding, requiring waiting periods for women seeking abortions, and parental notification for abortions performed on minors. The elimination of these important and effective pro-life laws cannot reasonably be expected to do other than significantly increase the number of elective abortions by which the lives of countless children are snuffed out prior to birth.

  Dave W

    25 November 2009
    Manhattan Declaration - Where are the theistic evolutionists?
    William Dembski
    About 150 Christian leaders were the original signatories of the recent manifesto asserting the sanctity of life, traditional marriage, and liberty of conscience - the Manhattan Declaration. At the time of this writing, over a 100,000 have signed it (including me). I encourage readers of UD to read the document and sign it if it reflects your views on God and culture.

    Of the 150 original signers, I know about 25 personally. Interestingly, the original signers seem overwhelmingly pro-ID. That raises the question why no notable theistic evolutionists are signers (e.g., Francis Collins). To be sure, signers such as Tim Keller and Dinesh D'Souza have indicated an openness to evolutionary theory. But I'm not finding any among the signers who are adamantly committed to theistic evolution, seeing it as the only way to be both scientifically and theologically responsible.

    Perhaps I'm missing something here. If so, I'm happy to be disabused. But is it possible that ID is friendlier to classic Christian teaching on the sanctity of life, traditional marriage, and liberty of conscience than theistic evolution? It not, I'd like to see the names of theistic evolutionists who are also signers of the Manhattan Declaration.


    Manhattan Declaration: A Call of Christian Conscience
    November 20, 2009

    The following is the text of the Manhattan Declaration signed by 149 pro-life and Catholic and evangelical and Orthodox Christian leaders. supports the pro-life aims of the resolution.
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