Re: [asa] Manhattan Declaration

From: Schwarzwald <>
Date: Wed Nov 25 2009 - 16:42:55 EST

Heya DAve,

I signed on to the declaration (using my real name, of course!), and I often
describe myself as a TE. Then again, I don't know what Dembski would
describe me as. I can never keep track of certain definitions across the
TE-ID divide.

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 4:28 PM, Dave Wallace <>wrote:

> This looks like something we should discuss that is not related to the
> sign that the Magi saw or purloined emails. I suspect some would strongly
> object to some parts of the declaration.
> It does not look appropriate for those not from the USofA to sign.
> The President says that he wants to reduce the ďneedĒ for abortion≠a
> commendable goal. But he has also pledged to make abortion more easily and
> widely available by eliminating laws prohibiting government funding,
> requiring waiting periods for women seeking abortions, and parental
> notification for abortions performed on minors. The elimination of these
> important and effective pro-life laws cannot reasonably be expected to do
> other than significantly increase the number of elective abortions by which
> the lives of countless children are snuffed out prior to birth.
> Dave W
> 25 November 2009 Manhattan Declaration ó Where are the theistic
> evolutionists?<> William
> Dembski
> About 150 Christian leaders were the original signatories of the recent
> manifesto asserting the sanctity of life, traditional marriage, and liberty
> of conscience ó the Manhattan Declaration<>.
> At the time of this writing, over a 100,000 have signed it (including me). I
> encourage readers of UD to read the document and sign it if it reflects your
> views on God and culture.
> Of the 150 original signers, I know about 25 personally. Interestingly, the
> original signers seem overwhelmingly pro-ID. That raises the question why no
> notable theistic evolutionists are signers (e.g., Francis Collins). To be
> sure, signers such as Tim Keller and Dinesh DíSouza have indicated an
> openness to evolutionary theory. But Iím not finding any among the signers
> who are adamantly committed to theistic evolution, seeing it as the only way
> to be both scientifically and theologically responsible.
> Perhaps Iím missing something here. If so, Iím happy to be disabused. But
> is it possible that ID is friendlier to classic Christian teaching on the
> sanctity of life, traditional marriage, and liberty of conscience than
> theistic evolution? It not, Iíd like to see the names of theistic
> evolutionists who are also signers of the Manhattan Declaration.
> óó
> *Manhattan Declaration: A Call of Christian Conscience*
> November 20, 2009
> The following is the text of the Manhattan Declaration signed by 149
> pro-life and Catholic and evangelical and Orthodox Christian leaders.
> supports the pro-life aims of the resolution.
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