Re: [asa] Ottawa Citizen: The Skeptics Are Vindicated

From: Schwarzwald <schwarzwald@gmail.com>
Date: Wed Nov 25 2009 - 09:44:33 EST

Heya John,

Personally, I've started in the middle as far as global warming goes. My
attitude has generally been that I'm willing to accept the broad claim of
'The globe is warming, and humanity has a role in this', though I've been
skeptical of scare tactics (We're all gonna die if we don't pass this law
immediately!, etc), some of the proposed legislative remedies, etc. On the
other hand, "not polluting", striving to find better energy efficiency or
alternative fuel sources, etc, all seemed like reasonable projects to
promote. And frankly, I'm a technophile and was/am absolutely giddy at
algae-based fuels, micro-nuke reactors, etc. And I'm also an
efficiency-freak, and have a natural love of voluntary or market-based
pressures in that direction (turning to local producers of vegetables and
food rather than imports, making what is imported more efficiently shipped,
etc.)

But, my own two cents on this: People who love to get into the culture war
aspect of AGW discussions, or who boost AGW in general, better realize that
circling the wagons on this one and insisting that there's nothing of
interest in the leaked emails (maybe if you're tremendously cynical, or
something near-equivalent), or that no one should talk about those contents
(sorry, it's going to happen - no stopping it now, nor should it be stopped)
is not going to work. In fact, if the primary response to these emails by
AGW boosters remains what it is, it's going to push at least one person over
the edge from marginally accepting the consensus on AGW to modest skeptic.
The frantic "there's nothing to see here, and we must throw these email's
contents down the memory hole anyway!" defense is not helping against the
claim that there's abundant political maneuvering and investment in this
issue.

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 8:37 AM, John Walley <john_walley@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
>
> This is a goldmine of great quotes including:
>
> "It's no use pretending this isn't a major blow. The e-mails extracted ...
> could scarcely be more damaging. I am now convinced that they are genuine,
> and I'm dismayed and deeply shaken by them."
>
> and
>
> "It is amusing to see mainstream media sources such as the New York Times,
> which thinks nothing of publishing purloined government documents that will
> endanger the lives of U.S. soldiers in the field, and compromise vital
> intelligence operations, suddenly become all jowly and uptight about
> publishing the e-mails in question because they were "illegally obtained.""
>
> Ok now I am crowing Rich. You defenders of this look like buffoon
> idealogues.
>
> John
>
>
> November 25, 2009
> The Skeptics Are VindicatedBy David Warren
>
>
> A computer hacker in England has done the world a service by making
> available a huge quantity of evidence for the way in which "human-induced
> global warming" claims have been advanced over the years.
> By releasing into the Internet about a thousand internal e-mails from the
> servers of the Climate Research Unit in the University of East Anglia -- in
> some respects the international clearing house for climate change "science"
> -- he has (or they have) put observers in a position to see that claims of
> conspiracy and fraud were not unreasonable.
>
> More generally, we have been given the materials with which to obtain an
> insight into how all modern science works when vast amounts of public
> funding is at stake and when the vested interests associated with various
> "progressive" causes require a particular scientific result.
>
> There is little doubt that the e-mails were real. Even so warmist a
> true-believer as George Monbiot led his column in the Guardian yesterday
> with: "It's no use pretending this isn't a major blow. The e-mails extracted
> ... could scarcely be more damaging. I am now convinced that they are
> genuine, and I'm dismayed and deeply shaken by them."
>
> He went on to rekindle his own faith in the "settled science," however, by
> revealing that he will not give up on the global-warming hypothesis until he
> sees an e-mail that reveals a specific conspiracy over the centuries by a
> secret fraternity of "knights carbonic" to seize planetary power and
> install a Communist World Government.
>
> Behind this sarcastic little face-saving joke is a disheartening reality.
> For, as we glean from the hacked documents, supporters of the hypothesis
> have been able to reverse the onus of proof. In the last resort, their
> argument comes down to: We say the planet is warming. And anyone who says
> the contrary must "prove the negative" beyond the faintest shadow of a
> doubt. And we will be their judges.
>
> Nigel Lawson (a.k.a. Baron Lawson of Blaby), the former British chancellor
> of the exchequer, who is among prominent persons demanding a full and open
> public inquiry, summarized the content of the e-mails in this way:
> "Astonishingly, what appears, at least at first blush, to have emerged is
> that (a) the scientists have been manipulating the raw temperature figures
> to show a relentlessly rising global warming trend; (b) they have
> consistently refused outsiders access to the raw data; (c) the scientists
> have been trying to avoid freedom of information requests; and (d) they have
> been discussing ways to prevent papers by dissenting scientists being
> published in learned journals. ...
>
> "There may be a perfectly innocent explanation," he continues with that
> impartial aplomb for which we have always adored British lords, but then he
> reminds just how much government spending and bureaucracy, in Britain and
> all over the world, has been mounted entirely upon this dubious research;
> and thus how far-reaching the implications if the obvious turns out to be
> true.
>
> For the correspondence that has been hacked is not mere backroom gossip. It
> includes incriminating exchanges between some of the biggest names in the
> "global warming" business. In its attempt to resist an inquiry, a British
> Meteorological Office spokesman effectively acknowledged as much. He fell
> back on the traditional clinching argument of persons "dressed in a little
> authority": that the sublimity of their office and the splendour of their
> robes puts them beyond the possibility of suspicion:
>
> "It's a shame that some of the skeptics have had to take this rather
> shallow attempt to discredit robust science undertaken by some of the
> world's most respected scientists. The bottom line is that temperatures
> continue to rise and humans are responsible for it. We have every confidence
> in the science and the various datasets we use. The peer-review process is
> as robust as it could possibly be."
>
> The same spokesman alleged it was no coincidence that the incriminating
> materials had been released on the eve of the United Nations' Copenhagen
> climate conference. But, of course, that is exactly what the hacker was
> doing: getting a story out that could be released in no other way and at the
> best possible moment to draw attention. Those would be the first two laws of
> journalism.
>
> It is amusing to see mainstream media sources such as the New York Times,
> which thinks nothing of publishing purloined government documents that will
> endanger the lives of U.S. soldiers in the field, and compromise vital
> intelligence operations, suddenly become all jowly and uptight about
> publishing the e-mails in question because they were "illegally obtained."
>
> Other media -- which have played a leading part for years in giving
> credibility to "global warming" claims -- are now maintaining the silence of
> Iago on the revelations. We will see how long this can be sustained.
>
> otiosus@sympatico.ca
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