Re: [asa] ID/TE rapprochement

From: Don Nield <>
Date: Fri Nov 13 2009 - 21:38:10 EST

Cameron has achieved an overlap of the ID set and the TE set because he
has limited the defining characteristic for membership of the ID set,
and thereby expanded the set. that can be labeled ID. I understand that
Cameron has studying ID only since the publication of Behe's 1995 book.
For many TE's like myself it is hard to dissociate the term ID from the
writings of Phillip Johnson and the "wedge" agenda of the Discovery
Institute from 1991 which established what was then the defining
characteristic of the ID set. In my opinion Johnson's formulation of ID
was most unfortunate, and I welcome the move that Cameron has now made.
I also appreciate the use of Christian names on this forum. I have had
to get used to having my surname mis-spelled as Neild :-)

Murray Hogg wrote:
> Cameron Wybrow wrote:
>> I warmly welcome Murray's attempt to show that there is a potentially
>> significant overlap between ID and TE. In fact, I welcome it so
>> warmly that
>> I will forgive his continued misspelling of my name. :-)
> Sorry, old bean, won't happen again - at least, not until then next time.
> I feel a story coming on...
> Australians have a habit of spelling my name "Murry" (rhymes with
> "hurry" I guess).
> I once queried this, to which the response;
> "Oh, that's the AUSTRALIAN spelling"
> Curious that there would be an AUSTRALIAN spelling of a SCOTTISH name,
> I asked;
> "Oh, you mean, as in 'Murray River'"
> "That's right!"
> You figure it out...
> I only promise that I won't offer you the same excuse!
>> Some of you know Venn diagrams.
> Which is EXACTLY the mental image I have in mind and was EXACTLY the
> appeal I was about to make!
> I'm not silly enough to think that ID and TE are the same thing, but I
> do think it obvious that there is an "intersect" and that it is
> becoming an increasingly plausible place to locate oneself. Certainly,
> not everybody will be comfortable with such a location as to inhabit
> it will require certain formulations that some find quite
> objectionable. And I suspect that it becomes a more and more difficult
> place to sit if one feels compelled to answer certain questions in
> certain ways.
> But for those who allow that some questions need not yet be considered
> closed I think the intersect of ID and TE might be a quite agreeable
> place to be.
> Blessings,
> Murray
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