Re: [asa] on science and meta-science

From: Gregory Arago <>
Date: Tue Nov 10 2009 - 03:35:31 EST

Hi Merv, In brief, do you agree with the statement by Keith: "science is a methodology"? I don't because I *know* that there are many 'scientific methods' and that 'science' means different things to different people, to different scientists. Please don't call me a 'relativist' or 'social constructionist' for saying this. Have you read Feyerabend and Lakatos, Merv? If not, go do the work as I and others have done. I'm not going to explain, as you ask for, "the view of science that *is* current with PoS." This is precisely one of the points: there is *no* such thing as 'the view of science'! So how could I give it (singular) to you? :-) Some people on this list need to say this out loud and repeat: Sciences - many, not One! Does that help at all, Merv? With due respect given, but impatiently, Gregory ________________________________ From: Merv Bitikofer <> To: Gregory Arago <>; asa <> Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 5:04:41 AM Subject: Re: [asa] on science and meta-science Gregory Arago wrote: > > Keith writes: “Science is a methodology, a limited way of knowing about the natural world.” > > No, this is wrong, plain and simple. I side with Cameron; Keith’s view of science is not current with PoS if he really believes this. Science is limited, yes, of course it is and Cameron is not arguing with this and thus is frustrated at why Keith repeats and repeats this obvious statement to him. But science is *not* (ECHO THIS) simply a methodology! This is too simple. Here Keith is missing a larger discourse and I am at a loss of how to convey it to him (e.g. really read more PoS?). > > Does simply being a ‘natural scientist’ *necessarily* make one a ‘naturalist’ or *require* that he or she accept the ideology called ‘naturalism’ as the core guideline/strategy/method for ‘doing good science’? I would say ‘No.’ But who that is an NPS here would say otherwise? I’m afraid that a good many people have been led down the primrose path on this one and should instead come back to ‘reality’ with the rest of us. > Gregory! Out of this tempest of invective against all things TE or MN, I am still curious about a few things because I do really want to understand your position. You say Keith's view of science is not current with PoS. So what is the view of science that *is* current with PoS? --Merv To unsubscribe, send a message to with "unsubscribe asa" (no quotes) as the body of the message. __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr!

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