Re: [asa] NPR on New Atheism

From: David Clounch <>
Date: Wed Oct 21 2009 - 16:18:09 EDT

Are you saying "Liberty...chop chop ...Equality...chop
chop...Fraternity...chop chop...?

Isn't this what comes from secular morality and secular humanism? Looking
to the inner standard of right and wrong, ignoring the value of creatures
(Adam's race) created in God's image?

Christian civilization has had its excesses too. But always in response to
the type of insanity demonstrated by the secularists. Look at how very
dangerous the secular insanity was in France! And later in Germany,
Russia, Cambodia, etc.
This is why the USA, having been founded on Christian principles, must not
throw God out of its operating principles. When it does then all civil
rights can easily be cast aside just like in those countries.

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:54 PM, Schwarzwald <> wrote:

> Heya Mike,
>> Sounds like hypocrisy. Basically, the New Atheists think the way to get
>> people to embrace reason and science is to use hateful propaganda, edgy
>> ridicule, and any other means of arousing negative emotions. Whatever it
>> takes. New Atheists clearly do not believe in reason and science. They
>> believe in whatever it takes.
> Exactly. Not only are they not relying on either reason or science, but as
> near as I can tell, they don't even want people to embrace those things.
> Those things have become little more than buzzwords that amount to
> shockingly little - what's really central is a combination of personal
> animosity, and social/political considerations. Always has been, and always
> will be.
> I reject the common claim that the New Atheists subscribe to 'scientism'.
> Science is appealed to superficially only insofar as it offers utility - and
> is either ignored, rejected, or superceded by ideologies otherwise. To make
> what I think is an apt comparison, during the french revolution the
> revolutionaries yelled quite a lot about "reason". But does the reign of
> terror really seem like the result of reason? Do historians, or anyone who
> reads about that age, talk about how reason triumphed during that reign?

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