Re: [asa] Ken Miller's mantra

From: John Walley <>
Date: Thu Oct 15 2009 - 17:57:06 EDT

"but the presence of pseudogenes don't imply the game is over for YEC" Yes in a way it does because at least in the case of psi GULO, it forks their design argument by making them defend why God wanted humans to have scurvy. This example of a pseudogene alone convinced me to become a TE. Any other example could conceivably be argued to have some type of unknown or unappreciated design characteristic to it but this one with its obvious deleterious effects is really hard to defend. John ________________________________ From: Jon Tandy <> To: ASA <> Sent: Thu, October 15, 2009 1:42:23 PM Subject: RE: [asa] Ken Miller's mantra I don't think this is really the case.  The standard answers probably apply here: "God made it that way", and "it may be that we will find a use for the so'-called junk DNA and pseudogenes" serve pretty well as answers, just like "the earth is young, even though it may appear old".  Whether such arguments are convincing for those reasonably acquainted with the strength of the evidence is another matter, but the presence of pseudogenes don't imply the game is over for YEC.   Jon Tandy [] On Behalf Of Dehler, Bernie Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:40 AM To: ASA Subject: RE: [asa] Ken Miller's mantra   I see your point.   How about this “We don’t self-manufacture vitamin c; we win.”  Then you explain why we don’t have vitamin c internally produced, unlike our descendents, because of bad gene copies (the pseudogene argument using vitamin c as a poster-boy).   Although fossils are easier too comprehend, it seems like the YEC’s also have a good time-tested twist/story on them, at first glance.  But when it comes to pseudogenes, the argument is over, and there’s no good comeback for a YEC.   …Bernie

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