Re: [asa] Ken Miller's mantra

From: John Walley <>
Date: Thu Oct 15 2009 - 17:48:44 EDT

As far as the title, I agree that "fossil genes" is a more explanatory and I think I did mention that when explaning what a pseudogene is. But most people can grasp the roots pseudo and genes and piece it together if they truly want to understand it. John ________________________________ From: Jim Armstrong <> To: ASA <> Sent: Wed, October 14, 2009 10:27:35 PM Subject: Re: [asa] Ken Miller's mantra OK, - but you willing to travel with the catchphrase? My point was that they already know the words offered. They don't know pseudogenes unless accompanied by an explanation. By the way, my email spellchecker did not recognize the word. JimA [Friend of ASA] John Walley wrote: Actually I beg to differ. I explained pseudogenes to my 12 and 13 year old son and daughter and they understood right away. I got the standard response of &quot;maybe they do something we don&#39;t understand yet&quot; but once I elaborated on that they at least understood what it meant and admitted it was convincing. I have since overheard my daughter using it in her discussions with ther friends. > >Using the &quot;typo&quot; analogy which I did, I don&#39;t think it is that hard at all for fresh young minds to grasp the concept and it obvious implications. The resistance comes over time as their science faith worldview develops and the wedge is driven in that all science is suspect and it is deception propagated by atheists. > >John > >Jim Armstrong wrote: > >Bernie - I have to agree more with Keith on this one. Other than folks >>who are already tuned into this argument, how many folks do you think >>would have a string that would resonate to "pseudogenes"? Most would >>wonder, either verbally or silently, "What was that word again?" >>Fossils they know; sue-do-whatever is another matter. >>This is much the same problem as one I've spoken to in the past, namely >>that scientific arguments don't do as much good as reasonably sound >>plausibility arguments, using familiar language. The tradition and >>consensus based distrust factor clouds any other less familiar basis >>for explanation or argument. >>JimA [Friend of ASA] >>Dehler, Bernie wrote: >> In watching >>some Kenneth Miller videos >>awhile back, he was sharing the mantra “We have the fossils; we win.” >>   >> I don’t >>think it is a good evolutionist >>mantra, because a YEC can say “We have the same fossils; we just >>interpret them >>differently.” >>   >> My >>suggestion for evolutionists is to say “We >>have pseudogenes; we win.”  The Young Earther’s don’t have a valid >>response for >>explaining pseudogenes, and there are thousands of them in the human >>genome >>(not to mention in all the other animal genomes too). >>   >> …Bernie >>To unsubscribe, send a message to with >>"unsubscribe asa" (no quotes) as the body of the message. >> > > > > > To unsubscribe, send a message to with "unsubscribe asa" (no quotes) as the body of the message.

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