RE: [asa] Ken Miller's mantra

From: Dehler, Bernie <>
Date: Thu Oct 15 2009 - 11:39:39 EDT

I see your point.

How about this "We don't self-manufacture vitamin c; we win." Then you explain why we don't have vitamin c internally produced, unlike our descendents, because of bad gene copies (the pseudogene argument using vitamin c as a poster-boy).

Although fossils are easier too comprehend, it seems like the YEC's also have a good time-tested twist/story on them, at first glance. But when it comes to pseudogenes, the argument is over, and there's no good comeback for a YEC.


From: [] On Behalf Of Jim Armstrong
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: [asa] Ken Miller's mantra

Bernie - I have to agree more with Keith on this one. Other than folks who are already tuned into this argument, how many folks do you think would have a string that would resonate to "pseudogenes"? Most would wonder, either verbally or silently, "What was that word again?" Fossils they know; sue-do-whatever is another matter.
This is much the same problem as one I've spoken to in the past, namely that scientific arguments don't do as much good as reasonably sound plausibility arguments, using familiar language. The tradition and consensus based distrust factor clouds any other less familiar basis for explanation or argument.
JimA [Friend of ASA]

Dehler, Bernie wrote:
In watching some Kenneth Miller videos awhile back, he was sharing the mantra "We have the fossils; we win."

I don't think it is a good evolutionist mantra, because a YEC can say "We have the same fossils; we just interpret them differently."

My suggestion for evolutionists is to say "We have pseudogenes; we win." The Young Earther's don't have a valid response for explaining pseudogenes, and there are thousands of them in the human genome (not to mention in all the other animal genomes too).


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