Re: [asa] Ken Miller's mantra

From: Jim Armstrong <>
Date: Wed Oct 14 2009 - 22:27:35 EDT
OK, - but you willing to travel with the catchphrase?
My point was that they already know the words offered. They don't know pseudogenes unless accompanied by an explanation.
By the way, my email spellchecker did not recognize the word.

JimA [Friend of ASA]

John Walley wrote:
Actually I beg to differ. I explained pseudogenes to my 12 and 13 year old son and daughter and they understood right away. I got the standard response of &quot;maybe they do something we don&#39;t understand yet&quot; but once I elaborated on that they at least understood what it meant and admitted it was convincing. I have since overheard my daughter using it in her discussions with ther friends. 

Using the &quot;typo&quot; analogy which I did, I don&#39;t think it is that hard at all for fresh young minds to grasp the concept and it obvious implications. The resistance comes over time as their science faith worldview develops and the wedge is driven in that all science is suspect and it is deception propagated by atheists. 


Jim Armstrong wrote: 
Bernie - I have to agree more with Keith on this one. Other than folks
who are already tuned into this argument, how many folks do you think
would have a string that would resonate to "pseudogenes"? Most would
wonder, either verbally or silently, "What was that word again?"
Fossils they know; sue-do-whatever is another matter. 
This is much the same problem as one I've spoken to in the past, namely
that scientific arguments don't do as much good as reasonably sound
plausibility arguments, using familiar language. The tradition and
consensus based distrust factor clouds any other less familiar basis
for explanation or argument. 
JimA [Friend of ASA] 
Dehler, Bernie wrote:
  In watching
some Kenneth Miller videos
awhile back, he was sharing the mantra “We have the fossils; we win.” 
  I don’t
think it is a good evolutionist
mantra, because a YEC can say “We have the same fossils; we just
interpret them
suggestion for evolutionists is to say “We
have pseudogenes; we win.”  The Young Earther’s don’t have a valid
response for
explaining pseudogenes, and there are thousands of them in the human
(not to mention in all the other animal genomes too). 
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