Re: Reading Genesis theologically NOT historically (was Re: [asa] (introducing... sin) "Evolutionary Creation" book comments)

From: John Burgeson (ASA member) <>
Date: Wed Oct 07 2009 - 10:47:02 EDT

I guess I always tend to think of things as processes and not events.

On 10/6/09, Rich Blinne <> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 7:38 AM, John Burgeson (ASA member) <
>> wrote:
>> On 10/2/09, Murray Hogg <> wrote:
>> >
>> "Calvinists (crudely speaking) think of spiritual enlightenment coming
>> AFTER the moment of repentance whereas Wesley (again, crudely
>> speaking) thought of spiritual enlightenment coming BEFORE the moment
>> of repentance."
>> Speaking only for myself, if that's what Calvin believed, then (as a
>> Presbterian) I do not follow him. But it seems to me to be an
>> unimportant point.
>> Question: Does (to you) the word "repentance" mean simply "turning
>> from" or does it mean "turning from with remorse?" Or something else?
> The words after and before can be deceptive here since we usually mean
> temporal sequence when using such terms. What is being discussed here is a
> logical priority of a simultaneous event which probably -- at least in
> Burgy's mind and others too -- underscores the unimportant point point. The
> only really important point is if Calvin is right here then we cannot take
> credit for our salvation where we were spiritually enlightened without God
> even for a "blink of an eye". That's at the core of what is important to
> many monergistic Calvinists such as myself: not promoting spiritual pride.
> Rich Blinne
> Member ASA

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