RES: [asa] Fw: book "By Design"

From: Marcio Pie <>
Date: Thu Sep 17 2009 - 11:12:46 EDT

From what I recall, Miller's point has nothing to do with what came first.
If the flagellum is an irreducibly complex structure, if a part of it is
missing, it shouldn't be useful for anything (hence the mouse trap analogy).
The fact that TTSS is functional is evidence that the more comprehensive
system (flagellum) is not irreducible complex. Notice that one does not have
to prove every single step in the process to refute ID. All one needs to do
is to show that intermediates are possible and functional.
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de John Walley
Enviada em: quarta-feira, 16 de setembro de 2009 21:16
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Assunto: [asa] Fw: book "By Design"
FYI This is from a biology prof friend of mine. Any response on the "The
fact that the bacterial flagellum came FIRST just blows away Miller's ideas"
----- Forwarded Message ----
 Am reading a book called "By Design" by Jonathan Sarfati.
The book is EXCELLENT.
Did you know that the bacterial transporter--Type III Secretory System
(TTSS) that Kenneth R. Miller (author of the book "Finding Darwin's God")
talks about actually evolved LATER than the bacterial flagellum? Miller
claims that the bacterial flagellum is NOT "irreducibly complex" because he
says the TTSS protein have significant components in common with the
flagellum. Only about 10 components of the 40 in the bacterial flagellum
are in common with the bacterial transporter. 30 proteins are brand new.
The fact that the bacterial flagellum came FIRST just blows away Miller's
ideas, and argues that the flagellum was a PLANNED, designed system for
bacterial locomotion.
"Scott Minnich, of the University of Idaho, a world expert on the flagellar
motor disagrees with Scientific American and Miller" p. 137 of book.
The TTSS protein acts as a kind of molecular pump, which can inject toxins
into cells (Ex, Yersinia pestis, the causative agent of the bubonic plague).
According to the book, the TTSS secretory apparatus is a "degeneration from
the flagellum." If the flagellum assembly is diabled, "it can punch out
proteins (including toxins) in a haphazard way, as the TTSS does." p 138 of
Also included: conch shells, turtle magnetic navigation, gecko feet
adhesives, the simplest life, the cell, etc.
ISBN # 978-0-949806-72-4
The Bible says that birds evolved before land reptiles, which is in
disagreement with evolutionary theory--that birds came AFTER reptiles. I
think I ready somewhere that some paleontologists have found ancient birds
which are, indeed, older than reptiles (but I need to check more on this).
I still think that evolution CANNOT explain the great degree of complexity
in life forms given our short period of geologic time.


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