Re: [asa] Re: good atheists?

From: David Clounch <>
Date: Tue Sep 08 2009 - 15:16:18 EDT

> But if Jesus was not God and was instead a religious sect leader who
> ended-up getting killed because he clashed with the ruling elite, then it
> makes his death much less noble. And if he never rose from the dead, it
> makes his life that much more less meaningful, compared to what Christians
> believe.
> That is absolutely logical, Bernie. If Jesus did not rise from the dead
then the very best you and I and all our descendants can hope for is to
spend the next billion years "pushing up daisies".

I say the very best we could hope for. Think about it - it could be worse.
You (we) could meet with justice, the punishment you (we) deserve, having
no propitiation for our sins or our sinful condition. (I.e., Our
condition of rebellion - rejecting God in general).

That punishment might possibly be conscious existence in some form. Eternal
conscious existence. The oblivion of pushing up daisies sounds attractive
by comparison.

So, seems to me atheists believe there is no justice. Obviously there is
no justice in this life and atheists deny you can get it in the next.

This is why people who reject Jesus and what he did and his rising from the
dead, who also say "oh, I'm going to heaven, I'm a GOOD PERSON", are,
well, dead wrong? Idiots? What can one reasonably say about them? Even
atheism is more logical than kidding ones self that ones own goodness is
going to impress God and mitigate justice.
Jesus said no man is good. Is he a liar?

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