Re: [asa] Science and the Public Good was Re: World sets ocean temperature record

From: David Clounch <>
Date: Thu Aug 27 2009 - 14:40:32 EDT


I wanted to say something about Discovery Institute.

I am not a fan of DI, the best of my knowledge, and anyone is
welcome to inform us of better data here, DI has never called for
government to endorse or prefer DI's views in any sort of exclusive
fashion. Contrast this with other groups who regularly call for the
exclusion of ideas from other groups that the preferred group thinks is

So, DI is defending freedom to consider various alternative views, other
groups are doing quite the opposite. Filing suits to throw out ideas they
deem unacceptable. To date, where has DI engaged in that type of activity?

 Defending the [no] establishment clause is the best way to defend liberty
and civil rights.

Remember the US Supreme Court has said government cannot prefer one religion
over another, and cannot prefer religion over no religion nor no-religion
over religion.

This is why it is problematical for someone with thousands of signatures
from clerics who hold to a certain view on the relationship between science
and religion to go to a government agency and say "you have to endorse my
viewpoint exclusively". If they were saying "include my viewpoint among the
others" that would be a different story. But what they are doing is
*objecting* to the viewpoints of others. If they weren't making a statement
that impacts religion, that would be different too. But they are. They are
asking government to weigh in on which religious group has the proper view
of the relationship between science and religion. Government cannot do

It gets worse. These groups are asking for systemic preference.

Where has DI has ever done any of that?

So my problem with the debate, and what I think is poisonous, is religious
groups who want to violate the constitution. I'd be just as against the
Discovery Institute too, if it wanted to do that.

David Clounch

On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 12:36 AM, David Clounch <>wrote:

> So, Rich, how about promoting civil rights for everybody?
> PS.
> On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Rich Blinne <>wrote:
>> On Aug 23, 2009, at 10:43 AM, David Clounch wrote:
>> Why is it good for society for one group of Christians (NCSE) to battle
>>> in court with another group of Christians (YECs)?
>> The NCSE is not a Christian organization.
> Promoting a faith based viewpoint, what religion isn't it again? I missed
> that part.

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