Re: [asa] Bible as scientific text

From: Randy Isaac <>
Date: Wed Aug 26 2009 - 12:34:26 EDT

  We've been over this territory many times before and I would simply reiterate my view that this is not an appropriate topic "to be freely acknowledged, debated and proclaimed by ASA." It is, however, an example of "complex specified information (CSI)" as Dembski and Meyer would define it. Meyer points out in his latest book, with reference to Charles Lyell and to Michael Scriven, that in a case of CSI one must also establish causal adequacy and causal existence before concluding that such a causal agent was involved. More relevant to this situation, Meyer follows Dembski in pointing out that the "probabilistic resources" must also be shown to be inadequate to explain the complexity. As others have pointed out to you in the past, this has not been done. All that aside, I see no connection between the details you cite and God's revelation of himself to all mankind.

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  In the context of the current discussion it is clear to me that the Bible is far more informative than has been appreciated hitherto - this being exemplified by certain facts which arise from the fair reading of its first 8 Hebrew words (i.e. Genesis 1:1 and next following word - here designated Genesis 1:1+) as numbers*, thus:


  Fact 1: these numbers define a symmetrical structure of coordinated numerical geometries in which the figurately-unique number, 37, appears as an abundant factor.


  Fact 2: the same number, 37, is observed to be a factor of both name and title of our Creator, Jesus Christ - as represented in Greek in both New Testament and Septuagint.


  Fact 3: the same number, 37, is observed to be significant in the structures of both DNA and RNA.


  Fact 4: the same number, 37, is a feature of the standard music keyboard.


  Fact 5: the Genesis 1:1+ number set may be simply derived from the metric dimensions of an abundant artefact - the A4 sheet of cut paper; further, an arrangement of 8 A4 sheets delivers the numbers 1260 and 666 which occur together in Rev.12:6 and 13:18.

  Fact 6: intriguingly, a common formula applied to the letters and words of Genesis 1:1 and John 1:1, respectively, generates good approximations of the universal constants p and e




  I suggest this selection of features represents an impressive body of circumstantial evidence which should, at the very least, help all rational beings understand that the Bible is no ordinary book. But, clearly, there is much more to be gleaned from a study of these facts; and that is where all forums dedicated to the pursuit of Truth have an essential part to play. Randy, I hope you will agree with me that this 'light' deserves no longer to be 'hid under a bushel', but rather to be freely acknowledged, debated and proclaimed by ASA.




  *These transforms based on the fact that, circa 200BC, a scheme of alphabetic numeration was introduced into Jewish society (essentially based upon the earlier Greek model) whereby every Hebrew letter was made to function also as a numeral.


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