Re: [asa] Results of Cameron's Survey

From: Iain Strachan <>
Date: Mon Jun 29 2009 - 18:44:29 EDT

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 5:10 PM, George Murphy <> wrote:
> Iain -
> This gets into the murky area of the interface between classical chaos theory & quantum mechanics, where I claim no great expertise.  Since quantum mechanics is linear there's no "quantum chaos" in a straightforward sense.  But in specifying the initial conditions more & more precisely for a classical system, as you suggest below, you'll eventually get to the limit specified by the uncertainty principle, & below that point you can't go.  With a strong interpretation of QM even God can't because the uncertainty principle is not just about limits on what we can measure but is a statement that position-momentum pairs that violate it don't exist.

Ah yes, of course I'd forgotten the quantum uncertainty.  But that
only applies to things like position and momentum (which would of
course apply to my Lorenz Attractor example - initial conditions).
However it would not apply to the fine-tuning of the constants of the
universe.  Hence there are constants in the Lorenz attractor (this
from the Wikipedia page):

## Lorenz Attractor equations solved by ODE Solve
## x' = sigma*(y-x)
## y' = x*(rho - z) - y
## z' = x*y - beta*z
function dx = lorenzatt(X,T)
    rho = 28; sigma = 10; beta = 8/3;
    dx = zeros(3,1);
    dx(1) = sigma*(X(2) - X(1));
    dx(2) = X(1)*(rho - X(3)) - X(2);
    dx(3) = X(1)*X(2) - beta*X(3);

Note that the line starting rho = 28 specifies not the initial
conditions, but the constants of the system. One might imagine there
is much greater scope for fine adjustments of these. Different values
of rho give very different behaviour of the system.

So generalising to the Universe, maybe the Creator has much more fine
choice over things such as Planck's constant , or the Fine Structure
Constant than would be allowed by Quantum uncertainty.


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