From: Iain Strachan <igd.strachan@gmail.com>

Date: Mon Jun 29 2009 - 11:13:20 EDT

Date: Mon Jun 29 2009 - 11:13:20 EDT

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 3:52 PM, George Murphy<GMURPHY10@neo.rr.com> wrote:

*> You can put me down with Terry's #4. (Or, if only the 3 answers given
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*> originally are allowed, as is usually the case with standardized tests,
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I'll

*> take #3 "under protest.")
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*>
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*> I would not absolutely rule out the idea of front-loading of design (#2)
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but

*> it seems to me that hardwiring the detailed outcome of any physical
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process

*> into its initial conditions billions of years in advance is just the sort
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of

*> thing that chaos theory - which is more precisely "sensitivity to initial
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*> conditions" - rules out for systems of any complexity (i.e.,
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nonlinearity).

George:

Just a quick query here. Is it not the case that it's not ruled out so much

as non-computable

For example if I try to integrate the third order non-linear differential

equations for the Lorenz

Attractor<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorenz_attractor>then I

experience that if a slight change is made to the initial values of

the state variables, then after a certain time, two runs that are otherwise

the same diverge and bear no resemblance to each other. But the smaller the

initial delta, the longer it will take to diverge. However, divergences can

be observed even at the machine precision level, for example if I change X0

to X0*(1+eps) where eps is the smallest constant so that in the machine

1+eps > eps. (In standard double precision arithmetic eps has the value

2.2204e-016).

But if one had a machine with billions of bits of precision for the

arithmetic, instead of 53 (double precision arithmetic has 53 bits for the

mantissa, 10 for the exponent and 1 for the sign, making 64 in total), then

it's clear that macroscopic changes in the outcome will only appear after an

immensely long time because the corresponding value of eps is so much

smaller.

So I wouldn't have said it was ruled out unless God only uses 64 bit

arithmetic!

Iain

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