RE: [asa] Good questions to ask YECs

From: Jon Tandy <>
Date: Wed Jun 24 2009 - 10:14:50 EDT


1. Genesis 1 says that God created a firmament to separate between the water
above and the waters below. Where is that firmament, and what is it,
scientifically speaking? What are the waters above the firmament? (The
quick answer will probably be the firmament is the sky, and the waters above
are the clouds and rain.) How can the firmament refer to the open space of
the sky, when the "likeness of the firmament" on the heads of the creatures
in Ezekiel's vision was referred to as "the likeness of a throne, as the
appearance of a sapphire stone" (Ezek 1:21-26)?

2. Note that the word "firmament" comes from the Hebrew raqa, which means to
pound or hammer, as a thin sheet of metal, or to overlay with thin sheet of
metal. Job 37:18 says that God "spreads out" (raqa) the sky as a metal
looking glass (i.e. like a bronze mirror), and Rev. 6:14 says the heavens
can be rolled together as a thin sheet of parchment is rolled into a scroll.
Does that change your view on what the scriptural firmament refers to, and
whether it is an entity described by current science? Or are these
descriptions of the "heavens" figurative, in which case why should we bother
to defend them as scientific truth?

3. Genesis 1 says that the firmament was called heaven. Does "heaven" here
refer to God's domain, in which case what are the waters above it? Or does
it refer to the entire universe, and if so what are the waters above it?
Does it refer to just the atmosphere surrounding the earth (under the
clouds, etc.), and if so, does that mean that Genesis 1 doesn't mention the
creation of the solar system or universe, but the earth only? (And if the
latter, then why do so many creation scientists claim that Genesis 1 is
about the creation of the entire universe?)

4. Genesis 1 says that God set the sun, moon, and stars within the
firmament, and thus underneath the "waters above the firmament". What
waters could be above the firmament, if it includes the sun, moon, and
stars? Yet in Genesis 7 and 8, it seems clear that the "windows of heaven"
were opened in the firmament, to allow the "waters above" to come down and
flood the earth. What can you make of this scientifically?

5. Do you believe the Bible was meant to be a scientific textbook, conveying
accurate scientific information to a 21st century audience? If so, why? In
either case, would it bother you to find out that some of the statements in
the Bible are not scientifically accurate? If so, why? If not, then what's
the big deal with trying to defend the Bible as accurate science?

6. Are you aware of the substantial amount of data showing the vast age of
the universe, earth, and history of life on earth, which comes from multiple
lines of converging evidence? Are you aware that most creation scientists
admit that the earth and universe does in fact *appear* vastly old? Are you
aware that many Christians accept the scientific evidence for an old earth,
and yet believe in the trustworthiness of the Bible? Would you willing to
look at some of the scientific evidences and try to understand some of the
alternate theological interpretations beyond young-earth creationism?

7. Given that most of the evidence clearly points to an old earth and
universe, why do you think God would have made the earth look old and yet
require us to believe that it's young (as held by YEC theology)? Is God
being deceptive, or trying to put stumbling blocks before us to keep us from
accepting His word? Or, if the evidence from nature clearly points in the
direction of an ancient earth, why should creation science be limited to
simply discrediting the obvious scientific conclusions obtained from the

8. Are you aware that several prominent creation science organizations allow
for rapid evolution of animals that came from Noah's flood? (This is
probably suggested in order to account for the vast diversity of species
that could not possibly have all fit on Noah's ark in their present
numbers.) If rapid evolution and diversification was possible in just a few
short years after the flood, according to creation scientists, then why do
they not allow for "rapid" evolution to have occurred in a few million years
at the time of the so-called "Cambrian explosion"?

9. How do you justify the belief that the Bible teaches no animal death
occurred before Adam?

10. There are plenty of questions to ask about a worldwide flood, which have
been posed here before and which I won't both listing now.

Jon Tandy

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