RE: [asa] Interview with Denis Lamoureux

From: Dick Fischer <>
Date: Sat Jun 06 2009 - 16:39:42 EDT

Hi George:

His comment was that a historical Adam "rejects scientific concordism."

Only if a specially-created, Neolithic man was offered up as the first
biological human being on earth from whom all mankind descended would it
reject scientific concordism. Genesis makes no such claim. If ignorant
readers wish to impress upon the text what isn't there then call out the
ignorant readers. Don't beat up on the author(s) and say that what they
wrote wasn't truthful.

The city Cain built is listed on the Sumerian King List in the post-flood
era. Are we to suppose that someone other than Cain built it? Who? And
Cain is only one generation removed from Adam. Perhaps Cain was the one
created and he had no father. Maybe we should just rewrite Genesis

Bottom line - it matters little how much research he has done. His
conclusion was wrong. To be fair, both of our books were probably in press
at the same time. That was then, however, this is now.

Dick Fischer, author, lecturer
Historical Genesis from Adam to Abraham

-----Original Message-----
From: []
Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 11:33 AM
To: 'Douglas Hayworth'; Dick Fischer
Subject: RE: [asa] Interview with Denis Lamoureux

It's hardly accurate to say that Denis has not done "any relevant research."
I realize that the research you consider relevant is study of ANE history &
I don't deny the significance of that for understanding scripture. But I
don't think you have given adequate attention to the extremely "relevant"
question of whether early Genesis is the type of literature that should be
read as history. Denis has done considerable research in that area.


---- Dick Fischer <> wrote:
> Hi Douglas:
> It's precisely this comment that riles me: "EC by definition rejects a
> historical Adam, because this view of origins rejects scientific
> concordism."
> Adam is only one of the Genesis patriarchs listed in Abraham's line of
> ancestry. Since Denis eliminates Adam as a human being who once breathed
> air I would be curious as to how many other patriarchs EC would eliminate.
> Assuming Abraham was a real person at what point would Denis propose that
> mythological forebears gave birth to live human beings.
> Also, since I spent 27 years of my life searching for evidence that
> the historicity of Genesis 2-11, naturally I am somewhat miffed by one who
> rejects Genesis historicity out of hand without doing any relevant
> Biological evolution looks to be on solid ground because we have an
> abundance of data and evidence to confirm it. The central theme of
> Christianity has support with biblical and historical evidence which
> it. And the historicity of the Genesis patriarchs likewise has evidence
> support. On the flip side, there is an absence of evidence that
> evolution is untrue or that Jesus Christ had no ministry or that Adam
> live. So what I would suggest is that we support the things, all things,
> for which we have we have a database of supporting evidence and avoid
> signing on to things for which there is no evidence in support - such as
> historicity of Adam, for example.
> Perhaps Douglas you'd be so kind to as to take a glance at what I've
> and conduct a similar interview?
> Dick Fischer, author, lecturer
> Historical Genesis from Adam to Abraham
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [] On
> Behalf Of Douglas Hayworth
> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 9:06 PM
> To: AmericanScientificAffiliation
> Subject: [asa] Interview with Denis Lamoureux
> Hi Everyone,
> If you're interested in Denis Lamoureux's views and his book
> Evolutionary Creation, you may be interested in reading an interview
> that I did with him for my blog Becoming Creation
> ( I invite you to leave comments and
> questions (no long rants, please).
> I don't join the conversations very often here on the ASA list -- I'm
> always amazed at how much some of you are able to write! You're all
> either very fast keyboarders or you've got a lot more time on your
> hands than I do -- but I do lurk and follow most threads. I'm
> especially interested in the discussions about education, especially
> those relating to homeschooling. I mention this because I plan on
> devoting most of my blogging efforts in the coming months to
> developing content (short essays, etc.) for homeschooling students and
> parents. If you are interested in that topic, please add Becoming
> Creation to your RSS-feed and comment to provide corrections or
> suggestions for improvement.
> Doug Hayworth
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> Rockford, IL
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