RE: [asa] Interview with Denis Lamoureux

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Date: Sat Jun 06 2009 - 11:32:37 EDT

It's hardly accurate to say that Denis has not done "any relevant research." I realize that the research you consider relevant is study of ANE history & I don't deny the significance of that for understanding scripture. But I don't think you have given adequate attention to the extremely "relevant" question of whether early Genesis is the type of literature that should be read as history. Denis has done considerable research in that area.


---- Dick Fischer <> wrote:
> Hi Douglas:
> It's precisely this comment that riles me: "EC by definition rejects a
> historical Adam, because this view of origins rejects scientific
> concordism."
> Adam is only one of the Genesis patriarchs listed in Abraham's line of
> ancestry. Since Denis eliminates Adam as a human being who once breathed
> air I would be curious as to how many other patriarchs EC would eliminate.
> Assuming Abraham was a real person at what point would Denis propose that
> mythological forebears gave birth to live human beings.
> Also, since I spent 27 years of my life searching for evidence that supports
> the historicity of Genesis 2-11, naturally I am somewhat miffed by one who
> rejects Genesis historicity out of hand without doing any relevant research.
> Biological evolution looks to be on solid ground because we have an
> abundance of data and evidence to confirm it. The central theme of
> Christianity has support with biblical and historical evidence which upholds
> it. And the historicity of the Genesis patriarchs likewise has evidence in
> support. On the flip side, there is an absence of evidence that biological
> evolution is untrue or that Jesus Christ had no ministry or that Adam didn't
> live. So what I would suggest is that we support the things, all things,
> for which we have we have a database of supporting evidence and avoid
> signing on to things for which there is no evidence in support - such as the
> historicity of Adam, for example.
> Perhaps Douglas you'd be so kind to as to take a glance at what I've written
> and conduct a similar interview?
> Dick Fischer, author, lecturer
> Historical Genesis from Adam to Abraham
> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of Douglas Hayworth
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> Subject: [asa] Interview with Denis Lamoureux
> Hi Everyone,
> If you're interested in Denis Lamoureux's views and his book
> Evolutionary Creation, you may be interested in reading an interview
> that I did with him for my blog Becoming Creation
> ( I invite you to leave comments and
> questions (no long rants, please).
> I don't join the conversations very often here on the ASA list -- I'm
> always amazed at how much some of you are able to write! You're all
> either very fast keyboarders or you've got a lot more time on your
> hands than I do -- but I do lurk and follow most threads. I'm
> especially interested in the discussions about education, especially
> those relating to homeschooling. I mention this because I plan on
> devoting most of my blogging efforts in the coming months to
> developing content (short essays, etc.) for homeschooling students and
> parents. If you are interested in that topic, please add Becoming
> Creation to your RSS-feed and comment to provide corrections or
> suggestions for improvement.
> Doug Hayworth
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