Re: [asa] BioLogos - Bad Theology?

From: Gregory Arago <>
Date: Mon Jun 01 2009 - 00:54:26 EDT

Heya Schwarzwald, 
Yes, I agree - <just selection, full stop>. And since <selection> seems to imply <agency>, we,re right back in the muck with why the only <non-natural agents> that MN allows into the picture are <super-natural> ones. If there were an added dialogue partner to the topic that included the vast majority of <agency> discussion, perhaps some forward movement or synthesis of views might have a chance to take place.
- Gregory

--- On Mon, 6/1/09, Schwarzwald <> wrote:

From: Schwarzwald <>
Subject: Re: [asa] BioLogos - Bad Theology?
Received: Monday, June 1, 2009, 5:04 AM

Heya Don,

Here's the problem. On the one hand, you're suggesting it's scientific to claim that the selection which operated in natural history is natural selection - meaning blind, purposeless, foresight-lacking selection. On the other hand, you're suggesting that Dawkins goes beyond science when he rules out the presence of foresight, planning, etc entirely. But if that's true, then the former claim is dead in the water - the selection Dawkins refers to as operating in natural history wasn't necessarily blind, purposeless, foresight-lacking selection. Meaning it wasn't necessarily natural selection that's been at work in natural history, or at least not as Dawkins understands it. In reality, what went on would/could be closer to artificial selection - and that would be true whether the selection and process outcomes were (all or in part) front-loaded, or if there were specific and direct interventions, or both.

If we can't tell the difference between artificial/purposeful selection and natural/blind selection, then the distinction is extraneous to science. That debate rolls over to philosophy, and what's left to science is (or should be) neither the purposeful selection of ID proponents/sympathists, nor the blind selection of ID critics. Just selection, full stop. __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now

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