Re: [asa] BioLogos - Bad Theology?

From: Nucacids <>
Date: Sun May 31 2009 - 09:08:38 EDT

Hi Schwarzwald,


I do agree with Dawkins's description of natural selection:


"A true watchmaker has foresight: he designs his cogs and springs, and plans their interconnections, with a future purpose in his mind's eye. Natural selection, the blind, unconscious, automatic process which Darwin discovered, and which we now know is the explanation for the existence and apparently purposeful form of all life, has no purpose in mind. It has no mind and no mind's eye. It does not plan for the future. It has no vision, no foresight, no sight at all. If it can be said to play the role of watchmaker in nature, it is the blind watchmaker."


Since you recognize that I build around this distinction, I am not sure this answers your question. Are you saying there is reason to doubt this description?


  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Schwarzwald
  Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 7:14 PM
  Subject: Re: [asa] BioLogos - Bad Theology?

  Heya Mike,

  One question.

    Nevertheless, we are still left with the fact that natural selection is a mindless process, leading Dawkins to famously liken it to a blind watchmaker. I think this metaphor is instructive for two reasons. We might expect differences between a seeing watchmaker and a blind watchmaker. Second, a blind watchmaker can be led with the appropriate seeing eye dog. There are many directions to go from here.

  One question I have: Why exactly are we "left with the fact that natural selection is a mindless process"? I know you have a weighted criteria for attempting to discern between guided and unguided - but this is actually a key point of interest for me. There are theists/christians who have problems with ID, and I think one key to their disagreement is that they view ideas like "natural selection is mindless" as either pragmatic suppositions or (in their view, incorrect) metaphysics.

  Or is it more that you grant that natural selection is a mindless process for the sake of argument?


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