Re: [asa] ID/Miracles/Design (Behe vs. Behe)

From: Don Winterstein <>
Date: Wed May 27 2009 - 10:06:04 EDT

How about the possibility that "physical" is not what you think of as physical but has a spiritual aspect? Quantum phenomena in fact strongly suggest that "physical" is not physical in the way people usually assume but has spooky aspects. It is these mysterious aspects that could make life in a natural way out of nonliving components and cause a soul to emerge in a natural way out of flesh and blood. It should be no surprise to believers in a spiritual God that matter at its most elementary levels should seem spirit-like.

Our idea of "physical" emerges from things like rocks, which consist of huge numbers of constituents stuck tightly together. If we were to see rocks, etc., exclusively as their elementary constituents, our idea of "physical" would likely vanish.


  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Alexanian, Moorad<>
  To: Randy Isaac<> ;<>
  Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 8:32 PM
  Subject: RE: [asa] ID/Miracles/Design (Behe vs. Behe)


  I am not invoking any sort of vitalism. Those who claim that life can be characterized in purely physical terms let them tell us what that characterization is. The added substance is definitely not physical and thus has to be nonphysical/supernatural. I wrote a letter to PSCF, “Can science make the "breath" of God part of its subject matter?”<> I think the answer to that question is no!
  From:<> [] On Behalf Of Randy Isaac []
  Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:29 PM
  Subject: Re: [asa] ID/Miracles/Design (Behe vs. Behe)

  Moorad wrote:
> Let me up the ante. Purely physical processes cannot create or bring about
> a human being with the aid and knowledge of only the genetic code, but
> even life cannot so arise
> either. This is the fundamental point that the living cannot come from the
> nonliving. I suppose only God can bring this about.

  Does that mean you believe in vitalism? There's a nice history and summary
  of it in Wikipedia:<>
  Or would you distinguish your view from vitalism in that the added
  "substance" must be non-physical?
  If the latter, would you mind sharing with us the evidence both for and
  against your position?


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