Re: [asa] BioLogos - Bad Theology?

From: Merv Bitikofer <>
Date: Wed May 27 2009 - 07:59:18 EDT

I agree with you that this notion of general divine action is not
satisfying (especially from a Scriptural point of view). If God picked
favorites among a virtually infinite number of possible universes, then
why wouldn't he have picked ones in which his chosen people remained
faithful? Or for that matter where the forbidden fruit was never
taken? To the same extent that God is not "off the hook" for evil in a
divine "interventionist" universe, He still would not be off the hook
for the initial selection of one including evil. Scriptures show us a
God that genuinely laments the unfaithfulness of his bride, suggesting
that he really really wished we had been obedient, but is willing to
plan and respond in a world where that did not happen.


wjp wrote:
> As I understand this coherence of Darwinism and Christianity, a story, one similar to one that Cameron has previously offered, might go something like this.
> Take a large set of coin flippers, video tape a large sequence of each coin flipper's flips, view the outcomes of all the flippers, and then select one particular flipper's video to play.
> The coin flippers are possible universes. The results of each of their flippings are the events of that particular universe. The video taping is God's foreknowledge. God selects from His viewings and by His foreknowledge, a particular universe to actualize. That is the video He plays back.
> The flipping events, not only those of the one God chooses, but all the flipping events of all the flippers, are determined by law and chance. Anyone viewing the flipping events could obtain a probability distribution for the flipping events. The particular sequence of flipping events is a chance event. Neither the flipper, nor the coin have any marks of intentionality or design. (If we want we can get rid of the flipper and use some sort of machine, just so the lack of "caring" or teleology is more evident.)
> So in the events themselves, and the entities involved, there is only indifferent mechanism, without any caring for the specific results obtained. But in God's selection of which universe and chance sequence to actualized there is design and intelligence.
> As I understand this position, we are not to reject by it SDA (Specific Divine Action) and maintain that only GDA (General Divine Action) occurs. For in the chosing of a specific universe it is possible that specific choices are made (e.g., Jacob I loved, but Easu I hated). But this specific choice is accomplished, according to this model, without God's intervention inside the universe, but rather from outside of it. In this way the objection by some of God's intervention inside the universe is overcome. Indeed, the model likewise permits the possibility that only GDA occurs. In this way, the "theological" objections of some to SDA might also be met.
> It is, if I have it right, a clever story. But one I do not find satisfying, or, more importantly, consistent with the God we meet in Scripture, who appears to be constantly "fiddling" and interacting with those that are His People and those that are not His People. It seems, rather, that God's intervention is not rare, but common.
> bill

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