Re: [asa] TE The Future

From: Murray Hogg <>
Date: Wed May 20 2009 - 00:25:40 EDT

Hi David,

I imagine TE's hold a range of ideas on the end-times, but speaking only for myself, I don't see TE as necessarily implying anything on the matter.

I know that some will argue that it's inconsistent to appropriate scientific theories of the universe's past whilst not also appropriating scientific theories of the universe's future - that is to say they will claim if one holds to evolution on scientific grounds one should also hold to the entire heat death of the universe idea on scientific grounds - but I couldn't more strongly disagree.

I hold to the view that evolutionary theory is grounded in observations rather than an a priori rejection of the miraculous - and so it's quite consistent to argue that evolution happened "naturally" but that everything will be brought to fulfillment supernaturally. One doesn't, in other words, have to rule out a cataclysmic divine intervention just because on thinks evolution occurred.

In terms of how science bears upon eschatology, I do think that how we conceptualize time and space is a relevant consideration - I don't, in particular, think we can meaningfully speak of the the deceased with reference to our temporal framework unless we also speak of them in reference to our spatial framework - if the deceased aren't locatable with respect to (say) New York, then they aren't locatable with respect to Eastern Standard Time. I recently did a presentation on this to our Australian science/Christianity group ISCAST which was vetted by a number of people with quite respectable standing in the physics/mathematical communities. Overall, it was rather well received, so I think the claim I'm making is reasonably sound - but that aside, the point is that the issue is one which strikes me as quite independent of concerns about evolution and human origins.

I'm happy to elaborate, but despite leaning toward some form of TE as the correct model of origins, my eschatological views are tentative, but such views as I admit to are quite boringly amillenial in shape.


David Clounch wrote:
> Dear ASA members.
> Because I have never been told the answer to such matters I wanted to
> ask what a Christian theory of TE does to answer concerns about the
> future. And more.
> Specifically:
> 1) When a person dies what are the possibilities. for example, do they
> live on? Do they wake up next second in a state of physical
> resurrection, thousands of years having passed? Is there a physical
> resurrection of individual believers?
> 2. What is the fate of Jesus Christ after his death?
> 3. What about the physical return of Jesus to the earth to rule the
> nations? How does TE blend in such events?
> 4. What is the fate of the earth as a planet? The universe at large?
> I suddenly realized I have no idea what Christians who purport to
> believe in TE have to say about any of these biblical concepts.
> The conversation focuses so much on origins very little is ever said
> about the end goal. I would imagine a comprehensive theology that fits
> TE hand in glove must deal with these somehow.
> Thanks Ahead,
> David Clounch
> --
> =========================
> Jesus showed us God can be both transcendant *and* physical. Deistic
> Christians want to say God cannot be physical because God is 100%
> supernatural. I don't believe this.

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