Re: [asa] Is God a big meanie?

From: Jack <>
Date: Tue May 05 2009 - 14:54:24 EDT

"Since killing (and the associated pain) is evil"
Why is this evil?  Pain is fundamentally a type of nerve receptor (nociceptive) that tells the organism, "Hey there is something wrong here!  You better move/pull your finger out/stop doing whatever you were doing/go to the doctor"  I see nothing inherently evil about that.

May 5, 2009 03:52:23 PM, wrote:
I was thinking about "the problem of evil" when eating my pear. It was yummy.

Atheists say that if God was all powerful and all loving, there wouldn't be any evil in the world, like animal suffering. I was thinking- what are the design options for God when it comes to food?

Since killing (and the associated pain) is evil, that means we could have no meat- no hamburgers. I guess we'd all have to be vegetarians, because vegetables aren't sentient and they don't feel pain. But if God chose evolution to create humans, then there would also be lower animals. Without carnivores, maybe (actually, for sure, not maybe...) these animals would get out-of-balance and destroy/over-run everything. In other words, the stock needs to be thinned, and that's why evolution does that- with carnivores.

The only alternative to evolution is fiat- where God makes things... "poof" into existence. The problem with that is we would have no notion of science. We could not trust and use our senses, because God so frequently violates natural law. The law of cause-and-effect law is busted because it is routinely violated by God.

So in a perfect world, God would create by fiat, but that would demolish modern science (and the natural record)... so it's not really perfect. God couldn't have used evolution while omitting carnivores, because carnivores are needed for the system to self-correct.

Thoughts? (...besides the obvious remarks about my cheeky writing ;-)


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