RE: [asa] No Adam?

From: Dick Fischer <>
Date: Mon May 04 2009 - 21:19:04 EDT

I agree with David. Whether mankind descended from apes is one subject.
Whether the man, Adam, was an historical figure or not is another subject
separate and unrelated.

The Akkadians and Sumerians date to about the same time period. The
Akkadians look to Adam as their forefather. The Sumerians were unrelated in
the immediate sense but all men are related if we go back far enough.

I don't know if Adam had natural parents or not. But either way it has no
impact assuming there was intermarriage between the Adamites and the
indigenous human populations.

If Adam was the first to be accountable to God for his actions and he
couldn't fulfill that role then that explains the "fall." The consequences
extend to all mankind.

Dick Fischer, author, lecturer
Historical Genesis from Adam to Abraham

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Subject: Re: [asa] No Adam?

> Since I accept evolution, I think it follows there was no Adam- no first
> human.  No fall from grace- the sin nature we have was inherited- it is
> surely the “sins of the flesh.”  Our flesh needs to be redeemed.

It's been thoroughly gone through fairly recently on the list, but
evolution does not automatically entail no Adam. I agree that the
most important point is that we are fallen and need to be redeemed,
rather than the exact details of how we got there. However, it is
possible to posit an Adam (or multiple ones) in an evolutionary

Not asserting that Bernie's model is bad, just that it's not the only one.

Dr. David Campbell
425 Scientific Collections
University of Alabama
"I think of my happy condition, surrounded by acres of clams"
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