Re: [asa] ID/Miracles/Design (more info)

From: wjp <wjp@swcp.com>
Date: Fri May 01 2009 - 09:50:56 EDT

Did I miss it, or did we already discuss what "information" is.

I assume we reject the Shannon notion of information, which lacks
semantics.

bill

On Fri, 01 May 2009 08:38:36 +1200, Don Nield <d.nield@auckland.ac.nz> wrote:
> Hi Bernie:
> My example is just meant as an analogy. It provides a counter-example to
> the claim of the YEC author Werner Gitt that new information cannot be
> created without an intelligent source. It also provides a simple analogy
> to explain why gene duplication on its own is not enough -- it has to be
> accompanied by mutation in order that new information is formed. I add
> that gene duplication is always subject to error in copying, and that is
> what is meant by mutation here. Is that clear?
> Don
>
>
>
> Dehler, Bernie wrote:
>> Hi Don-
>>
>> Your example doesn't make sense to me. I think in both cases, the two
> books do add information- but in either case, the information isn't
> useful.
>>
>> ...Bernie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Don Nield [mailto:d.nield@auckland.ac.nz]
>> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 3:00 PM
>> To: Dehler, Bernie
>> Cc: asa@calvin.edu
>> Subject: Re: [asa] ID/Miracles/Design
>>
>> Dehler, Bernie wrote:
>>
>>> Randy said:
>>> "A process such as gene duplication, for example, increases the amount
>>> of information in an organism without any external source."
>>>
>>> But gene duplication by itself is not adding useful information or
>>> resulting in any beneficial improvements.
>>>
>>>
>> Don adds: Strictly speaking, Bernie is correct. But mutation inevitably
>> accompanies gene duplication. I once had the opportunity to demonstrate
>> this to Werner Gitt. I took two copies of his book 'In the Beginning was
>> Information', placed them side by side, and said "No new information."
>> Then I turned one of them upside down, and said "New information".
>> Don
>>
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