Re: [asa] ID/Miracles/Design (more info)

From: Don Nield <>
Date: Thu Apr 30 2009 - 16:38:36 EDT

Hi Bernie:
My example is just meant as an analogy. It provides a counter-example to
the claim of the YEC author Werner Gitt that new information cannot be
created without an intelligent source. It also provides a simple analogy
to explain why gene duplication on its own is not enough -- it has to be
accompanied by mutation in order that new information is formed. I add
that gene duplication is always subject to error in copying, and that is
what is meant by mutation here. Is that clear?

Dehler, Bernie wrote:
> Hi Don-
> Your example doesn't make sense to me. I think in both cases, the two books do add information- but in either case, the information isn't useful.
> ...Bernie
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don Nield []
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> To: Dehler, Bernie
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> Subject: Re: [asa] ID/Miracles/Design
> Dehler, Bernie wrote:
>> Randy said:
>> "A process such as gene duplication, for example, increases the amount
>> of information in an organism without any external source."
>> But gene duplication by itself is not adding useful information or
>> resulting in any beneficial improvements.
> Don adds: Strictly speaking, Bernie is correct. But mutation inevitably
> accompanies gene duplication. I once had the opportunity to demonstrate
> this to Werner Gitt. I took two copies of his book 'In the Beginning was
> Information', placed them side by side, and said "No new information."
> Then I turned one of them upside down, and said "New information".
> Don
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