Fwd: [asa] Because of us

From: David Clounch <david.clounch@gmail.com>
Date: Wed Apr 29 2009 - 10:39:41 EDT

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From: David Clounch <david.clounch@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: [asa] Because of us
To: "John Burgeson (ASA member)" <hossradbourne@gmail.com>


And what about my relatives who have been cremated? My "mom-in-a-box" who
now resides in my basement?

BTW, John, since we are kidding around, let me mention while my branch of
the family is white we have black cousins, at least in name, but the white
side of the family is in general very very racist. So when looking for
where to bury mom I had thought maybe of putting her in the family plot of
my black cousins? So she went to sleep in California but at the
resurrection she would pop out of the ground surrounded by YIPES! Black
Kansans! Wouldn't that freak her out? hahahahahaha. First thing she'd say
is "where the hell am I?" Yeah, it would be my ultimate revenge upon
her. Well, it could be worse, the other choice is she pops up with a bunch
of Vikings! :)

But what I was trying to get at is "Providence". Resurrection is part of
Providence. Millions of Christians believe Jesus Christ will physically
return and the dead will be raised. Deistic-Christians probably don't
believe this. I don't know what they believe other than some gnostic sort
of "we all become ghosts and float to heaven". Whatever heaven is. I really
cant say what they believe except probably that the universe just proceeds
on for billions of years like it always did. I'd be interested in hearing
what they think their personal fate is in that type of universe.
Plus what is the fate of Jesus Christ Himself in that type of universe?

Did I mention the other part of the Providential Second Advent, where Jesus
rules the earth, overthrowing the human governments?

Deistic Christianity (I am just guessing) probably rejects this, among
various other acts of Providence.

I myself reject deistic christianity. Its a different religion than I
believe in.

I don't want to say I don't think God is supernatural. BUT, I believe God is
Spirit, and I see no reason that spirit cannot push particles around and
manipulate the electromagnetic force. And I don't see this action as
violating George Murphy's MN any more than the actions of any human would
do so. How does a human do anything? By electromagnetic forces, of course.

So the whole conversation about actions of God don't take place because
they are by definition "supernatural" is way off base (to me). Its based on
a certain set of religious ideas to which I don't subscribe.

Jesus showed us God can be both transcendant *and* physical. Deistic
Christians want to say God cannot be physical because God is 100%
supernatural. I don't believe this.

Best Regards,
David Clounch

On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 2:43 PM, John Burgeson (ASA member) <
hossradbourne@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 4/27/09, David Clounch <david.clounch@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Gentlemen,
> >
> > Along with this stoppage there will be a physical resurrection (of a lot
> of
> > dead people). In a way it could be said to be the ultimate ID-type
> event.
> > One moment there will be a pile of chemical sludge in each grave. The
> > result of rotting. The next moment there will be one trillion working
> > cells.
> Wow. Of course, if Julius Caesar is one of these, there would be a lot
> more than 1 trillion cells to his new body.
> Better get out the shovels for a lot of grave digging unless these new
> bodies have the strength to break out on their own!
> What about a member of the Donner party who ate his companion? Who
> gets the residue?
> jb

I often suffer from nostalgia, that fondness for something that never was.
Pleasant memories have a tendency to expand.
I often suffer from nostalgia, that fondness for something that never was.
Pleasant memories have a tendency to expand.
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