Re: [asa] Yes -- the YECs are still winning

From: George Murphy <>
Date: Mon Mar 30 2009 - 19:15:27 EDT

Clarification: Science can't prove that there is an objective reality because some sort of objective reality - critical, nuanced &c but neverteheless objective reality - is a presupposition of doing science. As John Barrow put it, "Almost every working scientist is a realist - at least during working hours.@


  ----- Original Message -----
  From: David Clounch
  To: George Cooper
  Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 3:48 PM
  Subject: Re: [asa] Yes -- the YECs are still winning

    George is correct that we can not prove YEC wrong because there is the possibility that the universe was made very recently.

  I'm sorry, I must object. When George said it he could have meant he was describing a philosophical position that is contrary to objective reality. Describing the position doesn't necessarily mean he believes that position. The position, as far as I know, is entirely counter to all of science. Science assumes physical phenomena extend in both directions in time in a continuous differentiable fashion. A major discontinuity in physical laws is outside of and contrary to physics. It is an absurd metaphysics that is more bizarre than all the nutty ideas physicists have dreamed up about the origin of the universe and grand unified theories and the multiverse and all that jazz. Next we will be told that if Taoist monks can write down the nine billion names of God then the universe will dissolve.

  Philosophers of science Laudin and Quinn wrote in Mike Ruse's collection why creationism is science...they argue it is because creationism can be proven wrong and the theory evolves with tentative conclusions, etc, etc. So George is correct that YEC is not by definition wrong. But the reason isn't because the universe could have been created a millisecond ago. This latter idea is insane.



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