Re: [asa] scientific fact vs. ideology?

From: Schwarzwald <>
Date: Tue Mar 17 2009 - 04:46:14 EDT

I'm pretty sure C. S. Lewis was aware of the great scientific discovery that
is 'drinking booze has a noticeable effect on subjective experience and
reasoning.' More often, the scientifically inclined just don't know enough
philosophy on the point.

Moreover, the idea that dualists of all varieties (or even most) don't see
the brain as necessary for many/most mental operations doesn't ring true.
Hylemorphic dualists would emphatically disagree. As would, I believe, very
many dualists of cartesian, property, emergentist, and other varieties. A
functioning brain could be a necessary but not sufficient requirement for
thought, and 'the classical physical can do it all!' position is fraught
with problems, some of which make the "but what about alcohol?" objection
pale in comparison.

On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 12:43 AM, Preston Garrison <>wrote:

> ""matter cannot think.""
>> It may depend on your definition of "think." Can computers "think?" They
>> do make decisions. They can even "appear" to be sentient. It may be
>> possible to have a conversation with a computer (over the internet) and not
>> even realize it is not a real person.
>> ...Bernie
>> 'm articulating this well...)
> There's a flip side to this. Read Dilbert today. Dilbert bemoans the fact
> that his boss keeps failing the Turing test. When our reason goes bad, do we
> cease to be human? Is God taking a coffee break? :)
> Does Moorad think (by whatever mechanism) that the function of the brain is
> not necessary for reason? Then why do we get more and more confused as the
> alcohol concentration in the brain increases? I love C.S. Lewis, but I think
> he just didn't know enough science on the point.
> Preston
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