RE: RES: [asa] science martyrs

From: Alexanian, Moorad <>
Date: Sun Mar 01 2009 - 16:31:54 EST

That is why I brought up the issue of scientists “martyring” other scientists when their contributions are ignored, in particular, in the awarding of Nobel Prizes.

From: [] On Behalf Of Merv Bitikofer []
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 4:11 PM
To: Marcio Pie;
Subject: Re: RES: [asa] science martyrs

Self-appointed "anti-religionists" would have a ready answer for all
this: "Of course you won't find any science martyrs, unless they were
martyred by religious zealots, because you see, martyrdom and
persecution are the specialties of religion, not science. Scientists
don't burn each other at the stake for having wrong ideas -- religious
people do." (I'm just stirring the pot here; that wasn't really my
personal point of view --at least not completely.)


Marcio Pie wrote:
> Hi George,
> Of course, I was using the word “martyr” in a loose way, just to make
> my point. Anyway, who could you name as a “science martyr”? or at
> least a “science confessor”? I’m not being confrontational or anything
> like that, I’m genuinely curious, since I can’t find examples myself.
> Marcio
> *De:* []
> *Em nome de *George Murphy
> *Enviada em:* domingo, 1 de março de 2009 15:03
> *Para:*; 'ASA list'; Marcio Pie
> *Assunto:* Re: [asa] science martyrs
> Gregory -
> You beat me to a mention of Vavilov. Velikovsky did indeed get some
> unfair criticism from scientists who knew his ideas only
> superficially, but when one examines them in more depth they still
> turn out to be wildly wrong. Counting him as a martyr is pretty far
> off. A guy who was out of his depth in fields he didn't know much
> about would be a more accurate decription. I once heard him speak in
> the 70s when there was a bit of a Velikovsky revival - a rambling talk
> that was so long that the scheduled Q & A time had to be omitted.
> In response to the original question: The traditional definition of a
> martyr in the Christian tradition is a believer who is killed "because
> of hatred of the faith" (/per odium fide/). A person who is persecuted
> because of the Christian faith but not killed for it is a "confessor."
> If we use similar criteria for scientists there have been very few
> "science martyrs" but a lot more "science confessors."
> Shalom
> George
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