RE: [asa] Videos

From: Stephen J. Krogh, P.G. <>
Date: Mon Jan 19 2009 - 13:39:34 EST

It was 'Cosmic Voyage."

I scanned the DVD case, here it is.


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  Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 12:16 PM
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  The old Powers of Ten film by Eames was devoid of spin. [ check out ] It has a more recent counterpart (whose title I am at
the moment unable to recall for sure - maybe Cosmic Voyage?), but I actually
prefer the older one, though it is missing some of the most recent insights.
  JimA [Friend of ASA]

  Dehler, Bernie wrote:
    The cosmos video one may actually help by way of teaching about how huge
the universe is- enlarging one’s view of God and His creation (Giglio even
says that). It destroys petty images of God over a simple creation. There
is a silly statement- though- of the “sign of God” in the cosmos (the
“star-shaped” galaxy). He sees crosses in the stars as well as in
micro-biology (laminin). Yes- I think these are online at; just
search for his name at YouTube (I gave some links earlier for laminin).
Like I said- coming to a church near you- I think these are viral … thanks
for the confirmation.



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Behalf Of Jon Tandy
    Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:26 AM
    Subject: [asa] Videos

    Well, it's happened. Several people at church have talked about showing
a video on science sometime, so I asked to take a look at it first. Turns
out there are two videos by Louie Giglio; one on the cosmos, and the other
going from space down into the cell, showing the grandeur of God (I presume
it will talk about Laminin). Haven't watched them yet, but I'll let you

    In the meantime, last December I finally forced myself to watch (online
on Netflix), Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed.

    Having read plenty about it beforehand, watching Expelled confirmed my
suspicion: the subtitle is an appropriate Freudian slip. "No intelligence
allowed" is a pretty good description of the movie, not the scientific
community that it pretends to expose. My second thought was, if this is the
best that the Intelligent Design community can come up with, they'd better
just pack it up and go home. Its substantial collection of logical fallacies
and anti-scientific rhetoric is an insult to the intelligence of its
audience, not to mention mocking and accusing scientists and the scientific

    I've already talked to a friend who thought it was the greatest, and
mentioned the movie's false accusation against scientists by its reference
to Hitler, concentration camps, and other threatening and murderous images.
This constant ad hominem argument is not only wearisome, it is slanderous. I
also mentioned that though Hitler used Darwinian ideas in his writings to
justify killing the Jews, he also used Christianity in the same way. Does
Hitler's use of Christianity prove that Christianity is dangerous and
destructive? Or does it prove that Hitler was a madman who could use any
rhetorical argument to his advantage, no matter how illogical?

    It mocks the scientists by taking their arguments out of context and
presenting them in a manner calculated to make them look stupid. One of the
best illustrations of this is the comment (I think from Daniel Dennett) that
life might have begun "on the backs of crystals", then the movie switches to
a fortune teller with a crystal ball. If someone doesn't know the difference
between a crystal structure and a crystal ball, he should not pretend he's
doing any favors to science or the truth. This doesn't mean that life did
begin spontaneously on crystals or anywhere else; it does mean that Stein
has used such goofy, anti-scientific rhetoric, that it defies belief.

    On the other hand, though there are many practicing scientists who also
believe in God, I'm sure that there is a fair amount of bias in the
scientific community against "Intelligent Design" and religion in general.
I don't want to put the blame for this solely on Christians, but with this
kind of unintelligent tripe going around, it's sometimes seems difficult to
blame the scientific community for wanting to exclude anything that looks
like "religion".

    Jon Tandy

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