Re: [asa] Darwin only biological evolution? (can anything exist without evolution?)

From: Iain Strachan <>
Date: Fri Jan 16 2009 - 13:21:54 EST

On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Dehler, Bernie <> wrote:
> Ian said:
> " As an addendum to my previous post, here is another alternative to
> "Evolution" for the photon that doesn't involve creation by Divine
> Fiat, namely "Loop Quantum Gravity"."
> "Loop Quantum Gravity" sounds like an evolutionary theory (an evolutionary mechanism) to me. It is explaining how the particles came to be naturally, correct? That's evolution.
> You said:
> "But throwing a bucket of millions of coins until they all come up
> heads is hardly evolution is it?"
> The only person defining evolution that way is a YEC.

You really don't listen at all, do you? If you are saying LQG is an
evolutionary theory then YOU are defining evolution that way.
According to LQG the "Big Bounce" each time produces a completely
random new set of conditions, with different physical laws etc. The
writer of the blog that I linked to said this was a way to "stick it
to the creationists" who believe fine tuning is from God. But if LQG,
as given is the correct explanation then it IS correct to say that
it's like waiting for a colossal coincidence (aka fine tuning for
life) to occur, and as it happens an unlimited number of times, it's
bound to crop up once. If you are now claiming that LQG is an
evolutionary theory, then from what you've said above, YOU are a YEC.

> Ian said in a different email:
> " No it doesn't - but you claimed to be able to explain how anything we
> chose to name evolved. You now admit that you can't. Case dismissed."
> Here's the explanation:
> From a singularity, there was a big bang and some energy was transformed into physical objects, such as photons, etc.
> What's missing is the details.
> Nothing in this world is understood 100%. You can always ask more detailed questions.
> Now- let's look at an alternative to cosmological evolution. Design by fiat.

Again, plainly you are not listening. I gave you the alternative.
The Big Bang happened and all the matter appeared. The standard (ie
non-LQG) model says there was no time before the Big Bang. Hence it
wasn't an evolutionary event.

Please try to read more carefully and stop shooting from the hip.
This is really getting tiresome just to have flat contradictions from


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