RE: [asa] How to respond to a YEC's version of "science"

From: Dick Fischer <>
Date: Wed Jan 07 2009 - 17:34:35 EST

Speaking as an authority on Genesis I believe I am safe in saying that
no one is an authority on Genesis. Luther and Calvin cases in point.
Dick Fischer, GPA president
Genesis Proclaimed Association
"Finding Harmony in Bible, Science and History"
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To: Dehler, Bernie
Subject: Re: [asa] How to respond to a YEC's version of "science"
As Bernie says, the Galileo affair is a good illustration of divine
accommodation and overly literal interpretation. But the errors of the
Catholic church can be easily dismissed by Protestants. It may be
helpful to show that Luther and Calvin also fell into similar errors:
"Scripture simply says that the moon, the sun, and the stars were placed
in the firmament of the heaven, below and above which heaven are the
waters... It is likely that the stars are fastened to the firmament like
globes of fire, to shed light at night... We Christians must be
different from the philosophers in the way we think about the causes of
things. And if some are beyond our comprehension like those before us
concerning the waters above the heavens, we must believe them rather
than wickedly deny them or presumptuously interpret them in conformity
with our understanding."--Martin Luther, Lectures on Genesis
"People gave ear to an upstart astrologer who strove to show that the
earth revolves, not the heavens or the firmament, the sun and the moon.
Whoever wishes to appear clever must devise some new system, which of
all systems is of course the very best. This fool [or 'man'] wishes to
reverse the entire science of astronomy; but sacred Scripture tells us
that Joshua commanded the sun to stand still, and not the earth."-
Martin Luther, Table Talk
"Those who assert that 'the earth moves and turns'...[are] motivated by
'a spirit of bitterness, contradiction, and faultfinding;' possessed by
the devil, they aimed 'to pervert the order of nature.'"- John Calvin
"Who will venture to place the authority of Copernicus above that of the
Holy Spirit?"- John Calvin
On Jan 6, 2009, at 8:38 AM, Dehler, Bernie wrote:

 Also explain to him how the church went thru this already with the
Galileo affair- same thing only different.

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