Re: [asa] Appeasing TE?

From: David Clounch <>
Date: Wed Dec 24 2008 - 14:31:16 EST

On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 10:45 PM, Nucacids <> wrote:

> Hi David,
> TE strikes me as a sociological label made necessary because religious and
> secular fundamentalists have loudly argued that evolution is supposed to
> lead to atheism.

You might be right!
I have been wondering if the term perhaps is derogatory - a label placed
upon the proponents of the view rather than what the proponents call
themselves. This would explain the upset over me asking for a definition.
But if that were true then why the usage of the term in various works by
what I assume to be proponents? I myself had no intention of labeling
anybody as anything.

I am a theist who accepts physics. To say I am a theistic physicist would
sound strange. Would it not mean something beyond just being a theist and
accepting physics? If I (or anyone) went to the trouble to call myself
(themselves) that then wouldn't there be something to explain? The trivial
case doesn't even make sense. So, I am still gathering data and waiting to
see. :)

Dave C (ASA)

> TE simply means that someone is both a theist and accepts evolution (as
> compared to theists who deny evolution and atheists who accept evolution).
> They don't fit the template of the fundamentalists.
> Mike
> On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Dick Fischer <>
> Dick wrote:
>> What I think we would be safe in saying is that TEs believe in
>> biological evolution through natural, not supernatural means.
> Dick, I appreciate your statement here. But according to Stephen, if I
> understand his position, this is a misnomer. It isnt "theistic" any more
> than there is "theistic chemistry", for example.
> Therefore I'm confused. Is TE as a set of ideas not supposed to exist? Is
> there no such thing as TE?
> One thing I want to make very very clear. I never claimed there to be any
> such thing as TE. If there is any such thing I merely expressed a wish
> for a definition and a list of the tenets so I could understand the
> difference between the view and other views. That would be rather difficult
> if there isn't supposed to be any such thing. Wouldn't it?

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