RE: [asa] Appeasing TE?

From: Dick Fischer <>
Date: Wed Dec 24 2008 - 11:03:53 EST

Hi Paula:
One clue to understanding for me comes from Christ's response to the
question as to why he spoke in parables, and it was to both reveal and
conceal. That's kind of how I see God operating in nature. On the one
hand, a believer can see easily how God has provided for us in countless
ways while on the other hand, a non-believer sees the same picture and
reaches a totally different conclusion. I have no reason to doubt that
God appeared as a cloud by day and fire by night to guide the believing
Israelites through the desert. He was free to reveal himself to his
chosen people. But biological processes are open to inspection to all
and thus he remains guarded.
Why does water expand when it turns to ice? Nearly every other
substance contracts when it is cooled to the point that it passes from
liquid to solid. But freezing water breaks up rock over time turning it
gradually to soil, fish in lakes are protected by a natural barrier of
insulation so they don't freeze in winter, etc. So the natural
properties of water are extremely beneficial but what causes the unusual
expansion really? TEs can live with a little uncertainty in some areas.
And I agree with you that for him to work within the natural laws that
he has established and still accomplish his purposes without resorting
to pulling switches, or throwing levers, or changing gears is a truly
remarkable feat.
BTW, Merry Christmas to all.
Dick Fischer, GPA president
Genesis Proclaimed Association
"Finding Harmony in Bible, Science and History"
-----Original Message-----
From: Paula Koenigsmark []
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 4:39 PM
Subject: RE: [asa] Appeasing TE?
Dear Dick Fischer,

What a concise, clear way of explaining TE. I like it very much. I also
believe God works within the natural order of creation a lot more than
we realize. IOW, some of what was considered miraculous, was later
revealed to be possible within the limits of the natural realm, right?

Maybe I am off target, but please let me ask you this:
Isn't it actually a superior expression (above a miracle) when God
chooses to accomplish creative acts within natural law?

What I mean by this is this: Yes, He is omnipotent, sovereign and
surpassing ALL. He can and does employ miracles whenever He chooses.
However, His ability and willingness to create within these laws seems
to me to show off His glory and unlimited intelligence and power even
more than instances where He stoops down and reveals His presence in a

I can't help but think, "Wow! He can surpass natural law without effort,
yet look at how many instances He has chosen to take the time/effort to
work within the natural order of His creation!"

In doing this, He is also demonstrating His perfect understanding over
of every single nuance of His creation( includes us).
In my heart, I am struck by how reassuring it feels to be understood...
What an expression of Love!

My little thoughts are just a pebble, but I have always wondered if I am
"onto anything" regarding this issue.
I would really love to hear what you think.
As you may already know, I am not posting to you privately for any other
reason, other than the fact that Randy and Terry are still trying to
figure out why my posting attempts to the thread are failing. Therefore,
if you think my response to you is interesting enought for the thread,
go ahead and post it for me.
Paula W. Koenigsmark
asa member

> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:15:31 -0500
> From:
> Subject: RE: [asa] Appeasing TE?
> To:
> CC:
> What I think we would be safe in saying is that TEs believe in
> biological evolution through natural, not supernatural means. That
> doesn't mean we can't believe in a supernatural beginning at the
> inception of the Big Bang or a divine kick start to the appearance of
> life. And we are theists, which recognizes the Creator and an
> involvement in the Creation. Beyond that we can agree or disagree as
> how deeply involved the Creator might be.
> Dick Fischer, GPA president
> Genesis Proclaimed Association
> "Finding Harmony in Bible, Science and History"

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