Re: [asa] Appeasing TE or TE Appeasement?

From: Gregory Arago <>
Date: Wed Dec 24 2008 - 10:41:19 EST

Hi Ted,
Just a short note to say that I would be grateful if you could indeed find out who (supposedly) coined the phrase 'theistic evolution.' Who are you linking it to in the 1890s?
I've searched around on-line and the most sensible claim I've found so far is by Ted Peters, who said that the term was coined by 'creationists' in regard to the naturalistic appeasement by TEs. If it is true (e.g. similar to the coining of 'fundamentalism'), then this is precisely the ground for starting a thread with this title. Likewise, the claim that "for 300 or so years methodological naturalism has been guiding scientifically-minded Christians" is another case of retro-diction. It is simply unsupportable.
Great thanks to Antje Jackelen, after searching for who coined 'theistic evolution,' for her abstract to "A critical view of theistic evolution" (Theology and Science, Volume 5, Number 2, July 2007, pp. 151-165), where she says: "anti-evolutionism is about anthropology and morality more than about theism." Hope to read the article soon...
The issue of retro-diction is a legitimate one because it shows a sociological attempt to gain a following or to attribute one's personal views to more people than is suitable. That's the point, Ted. Of course we all here know the suspicion of the term 'consensus,' especially when people dissent from that 'consensus.' I find it troubling that some people who would call themselves TEs seem to assume that anyone who accepts biological evolution and is also a theist is therefore also a TE. This is certainly not the case as the variety of uses of TE  

All this said, I agree with Michael that sometimes more important things should take priority, and so I also sign off for probably a few days for services and gatherings.
Do you hear what I hear?
O Holy Night
Winter wishes,

--- On Wed, 12/24/08, Ted Davis <> wrote:

From: Ted Davis <>
Subject: Re: Fw: [asa] Appeasing TE or TE Appeasement?
Received: Wednesday, December 24, 2008, 2:52 AM

>>> Gregory Arago <> 12/23/08 10:07 AM
>>> writes:

Yes and no, Michael. It is surely not accurate to suggest that all
treatments of 'evolution' by theologians, philosophers and scientists
with 'common men and women on the street') who accept the reality of
history according to evolutionary theory qualify as 'theistic
evolutionists.' Let's not forget that 150 years ago the concept duo
'theistic evolutionist' *did not exist*. Retro-diction seems to be a
preferred style employed by TEs.

Ted is wondering where this is going. I do not know precisely when the term
"theistic evolution" was first used, but it was in use at least by
the 1890s. That isn't 150 years ago, Gregory, but it's plenty long.

What's your point?


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